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Re: Nutrition - I think I want a Fennec Fox

Posted: Mon Jan 08, 2018 1:00 am
by TamanduaGirl
My diet page is updated, finally, to reflect the fact most fennecs eat less than the info I originally had. Just makes it a bit more lenient of retinol but doesn't really change the diet plan. http://tiny-foxes.com/Diet.html

Nutrition - Milk for a Fennec Fox

Posted: Mon Mar 05, 2018 10:22 am
by VRB
Good afternoon!

I've tried emailing the company (and retail company's) multiple times, but I didn't get a reply and calling to America is really expensive for me :cry: So before I do that, I thought: why not ask on this forum?

I would like to know how much Vitamine A (Retinol) and Taurine is in this fox milk, since it's important for fennec foxes:
https://store.foxvalleynutrition.com/day-one-3532

Maybe somebody has already figured it out? If not, I will give FoxValley a call!

Thank you very much in advance!

Re: Nutrition - I think I want a Fennec Fox

Posted: Mon Mar 05, 2018 3:12 pm
by TamanduaGirl
Nutritional milk needs can differ from adult needs so I'm not sure knowing the retinol value will help, babies almost surely need more than adults. I haven't found an analysis of fennec or even red fox milk to know what is needed. I heard they are responsive to calls if you do want to call them. They may have some research I haven't found that they base their formula on or it might just be based on what has worked.

Someone needs to milk their momma fox and have it analyzed then we'd know what the milk replacer needs in it.

Re: Milk - I think I want a Fennec Fox

Posted: Tue Mar 13, 2018 11:26 am
by VRB
TamanduaGirl wrote:Nutritional milk needs can differ from adult needs so I'm not sure knowing the retinol value will help, babies almost surely need more than adults. I haven't found an analysis of fennec or even red fox milk to know what is needed. I heard they are responsive to calls if you do want to call them. They may have some research I haven't found that they base their formula on or it might just be based on what has worked.

Someone needs to milk their momma fox and have it analyzed then we'd know what the milk replacer needs in it.


Thank you for your response! I will give them a call and just ask them if they think the milk can be used for fennecs as well icon-smile

Re: Nutrition - I think I want a Fennec Fox

Posted: Tue Mar 13, 2018 2:18 pm
by TamanduaGirl
oops I thought I accidentally put this in the wrong thread so removed it but it is in the right place.

This was just mentioned to me and looks like it would be great food for fennecs, if you don't mind the price and want easy to feed https://reptilinks.com/collections/case ... ect-rabbit

Or with veggies included assuming it's only 10% or less veggies for even easier: https://reptilinks.com/collections/case ... nd-veggies

They also have frog & rabbit links which sounds cool. But still at those prices I'll keep buying from Hare today and raising my own roaches and cutting up my own veggies. These would be really simple though for people looking to simplify the feeding.

Re: Nutrition - I think I want a Fennec Fox

Posted: Sat Mar 17, 2018 7:43 pm
by TamanduaGirl
Occasionally someone asks how much it costs to feed an animal. I got that a lot with the anteaters but that was hard as I don't buy it all at once and didn't really track that very well.

Well I just ordered 6 months worth of rabbit and about a years worth of chicks. Works out to 2.77 a day just for them it sounds like more when done monthly $77+ a month. Plus add in some for pheonix worms and calcium supplement(that container will last forever with the little he gets) Mostly free roaches since I raise them and some veggies so maybe round it up to a grand total of $3-ish a day or $84+ a month. That's kind of a lot for a 3.5 pound critter. Still $3 a day to "rent" a fennec from the cosmos and keep him health and happy is kinda a bargain.

Re: Nutrition - I think I want a Fennec Fox

Posted: Sat Apr 14, 2018 3:31 pm
by TamanduaGirl
How to feed a fennec fox, the video
https://youtu.be/a1Cy6Ox7zoc

Nutrition - Retinol

Posted: Fri Apr 20, 2018 4:34 am
by VRB
Have you seen this website?
http://dietgrail.com/retinol/

It contains information from all kinds of (human) food. For example, you can click "Vitamin A (IU) [International Units]" (Retinol) and search for "Turkey" and see that "Turkey, whole, meat only, raw" contains 30 IU per 100 gram. Or "Chicken, meat only, raw" contains 52 IU/100 gram. Or "Egg, whole, raw, fresh" 540 IU/100 gram.

Re: Nutrition - I think I want a Fennec Fox

Posted: Fri Apr 20, 2018 1:24 pm
by TamanduaGirl
No but the USDA site has all that as well(and probably where they got their info). https://ndb.nal.usda.gov/ndb/ You click start search then you can search by nutrient or food. I just search by food and get the complete run down on all nutrients.

You want the value per kg but basically you can just ad a 0 to the 100 gram value or in the USDA page you can change the 1 for the 100 gram value to 10 so it's 1,000g and it'll change all the values for you.

Re: Nutrition - I think I want a Fennec Fox

Posted: Sat Jul 28, 2018 6:28 am
by dmarksvr
Hi kids, I just thought I'd pop in to share a nice insect mix I found on Amazon...
https://www.amazon.com/gp/aw/d/B079QZCD ... b_pd_title

It includes 7 things... Fish(minnows), river shrimp, Mealworms Superworms, Silkworm Pupae, Crickets & Locusts (Mix provides 59% protein 17% Fat).

You could buy a bag of dried crickets or other insects as an additive to alter the protein/fat ratio of the mix to your liking. If I remember their nutrition values right; increasing the portion of crickets and/or shrimp in the mix ought to decrease the total fat content of the mix while keeping the protein around the same if not higher... I think crickets and shrimp are the two lowest fat ingredients of the 7 ingredients listed.

Marketed for turtles, but that doesn't matter to Echo... She really likes it. She's been getting that and the absolutely rabbit paddies mostly, and just a little bit of the instinct canine chicken which was the best dried kibble we'd come up with last I looked https://www.amazon.com/gp/aw/d/B00Q92ZR ... 2771242601

I've been trying to do mostly the insects/shrimp and rabbit though, leaving the kibble out except when I run out of rabbit or insects/shrimp. Also doing veggies occasionally, usually cauliflower and/or broccoli, as that's what I tend to eat most. I also eat a lot of shrimp when I can afford it, so Echo usually gets a couple with no seasoning on and the left over tails from mine, which sometimes have a little meat in them.

Also here is a big 5lb bag of 5 kinds of insects that I stumbled onto while trying to find that other stuff I had ordered...
https://www.amazon.com/NaturesPeck-Inse ... B011VKL7QS

I'm wondering more and more if Shrimp could or should be a larger component of a captive Fennec diet??? ...Easy to find if not cheap: it's high protein, low fat, and lower in vit A/retinol then most things other then insects, and has the chitin if you feed tail on. Is there something it's missing or has to much of???

BTW Echo turned 10 this year, as I got her in May 2008 at about 6 weeks old. Still going strong, with no known health issues ever except for a broken claw she caught on something years ago, that bled a bit. The only real change I've seen in her over the years is that her personality has mellowed a bit, but it seems more personality based then a physical thing... She still runs and jumps and can do those super fast zig zag moves fenecs do ;)

Re: Nutrition - I think I want a Fennec Fox

Posted: Sat Jul 28, 2018 10:36 am
by Ash
Thank you for the info! And it's great to hear about an older fennec fox that's still "zippy" and healthy. Nice work.

Re: Nutrition - I think I want a Fennec Fox

Posted: Sun Jul 29, 2018 10:27 pm
by TamanduaGirl
I've seen the chicken mixes before but it's good you thought to share.

I found Wellness Core Original Dog or Wellness TruFood Chicken & Chicken Liver dog only has 5,000 IU/kg of retinol but it has no taurine added so you would have to supplement so the instinct is still the best that has enough taurine in it.

Ikigai get a chick for breakfast and rabbit dinner with about a half cup of roaches and some worms at bed time as enrichment in a puzzle or in his sand box.

And he gets just a bit of veggies with his rabbit dinner. I have a bunch of dried dandelion I mix in a pinch of into his food and will give him other things like sweet potato or carrots etc. He goes crazy for green beans so I don't put them in his food but use them for treats. Sometimes I give him a tiny pinch of this to be lazy and not cut anything up. https://amzn.to/2Kbqolw

Re: Nutrition - I think I want a Fennec Fox

Posted: Mon Jul 30, 2018 11:01 am
by dmarksvr
Chicken mixes? ...Did you mean bug mixes? ...or did I miss something? :shrug: ;)

Re: Nutrition - I think I want a Fennec Fox

Posted: Mon Jul 30, 2018 2:22 pm
by TamanduaGirl
Sorry the bug mixes that are sold for chickens. It's usually a cheaper way to buy bugs, when they are sold for chickens instead of reptiles.

Re: Nutrition - I think I want a Fennec Fox

Posted: Mon Jul 30, 2018 8:42 pm
by dmarksvr
Oh ok, makes sense to me now... You were talking about feeding chicks to em and i thought you might have misspoke, but it was actually my brain that wasn't switching gears and making the connection, even after posting a link to a "chicken mix" :wall:

Did you have any thoughts on grocery store shrimp? ...as pricey as it is I think it's still cheaper then absolutely rabbit paddies. Not sure about taurine content though, or if there'd be any other issues with it.