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Re: Mongoose chat

Postby TamanduaGirl » Sat Dec 31, 2011 3:20 pm

No that's my state law in Oregon. They have a list similar to the federal list but larger prohibiting potentially invasive species and anything not on it is to be treated as prohibited. The list is prohibited, controlled, domestic and uncontrolled. Tamandua are uncontrolled. They did cover most species.

Federally the fossa is fine but exports from Madagascar aren't allowed any more. The federal list only covers what is on it and that's the short list I linked to in the state laws section.

At least the state permit is a little easier to get than the federal one since it does allow individuals to get it. There are quite a few hoops to jump through though, mainly they want an escape proof set up, plan in case they do escape and things like that. More complex than that. My friend managed to get it but it took awhile and she has tons of land and the means to build whatever they wanted of her. I'll have her guide me to make it go smoother once I'm in a position to build something to prepare. The annoying part is it's per species. So if I got it for one species but managed to find a different one while searching I'd have to get a new permit for that species.
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Re: Mongoose chat

Postby Ash » Sun Jan 01, 2012 12:08 am

Can you get multiple species on an individual permit, and therefore at the same time? That's how Illinois treats some of that animals a permit. They put all the species you want/have on one piece of paper.
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Re: Mongoose chat

Postby TamanduaGirl » Sun Jan 01, 2012 2:29 am

It is per species, unfortunately.
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Re: Mongoose chat

Postby Neofelis » Tue Jan 03, 2012 4:06 am

TG, do you know what this guy is? I think he's absolutely gorgeous. Image

NVM, I think he's a yellow mongoose. *sigh* And yep, looks like they're federally banned.... icon_confused.gif
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Re: Mongoose chat

Postby Neofelis » Tue Jan 03, 2012 4:23 am

Now I'm super curious about mongooses though. What is their behavior like compared to weasels? They're supposedly not closely related- how do they really differ? Since mongooses are in the "feliforms" subdivision and weasels are "caniforms", do you think their behavior would be any more cat-like. I'm guessing not, since the categorization is purely evolutionary....

Some of these are so pretty! I love the yellow above, and also black mongooses are rather pretty (and not banned because they're Galerella!)
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Re: Mongoose chat

Postby TamanduaGirl » Tue Jan 03, 2012 11:28 pm

I like the Northern Yellow Mongoose because they have white tipped tails.

Well ferrets seem to be bulkier and have heavier movements and not be as fast. I mean they are plenty fast and quick but not compared to mongoose. The lady in Hawaii sometimes took hers places with her but rarely since it wasn't legal to have him. They do like to play bite. Somethings can vary by species, like how much they might tolerate other pets or how predatory they will be, or territorial.

I may get a ferret eventually for an experience with something similar but more domestic.

Maybe don't want mongooses from thailand http://www.thaivisa.com/forum/topic/118 ... -as-a-pet/

But other species can play with cats and kids okay. Would depend on how raised and if with the others pets and such.

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http://wordsandimagesbycynthia.com/2011 ... -mongoose/

http://query.nytimes.com/mem/archive-fr ... 5B8484F0D3

Oh that first photo http://www.petforums.co.uk/ferrets/1458 ... -home.html

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Re: Mongoose chat

Postby TamanduaGirl » Thu Jan 05, 2012 1:56 am

The AZA care manual is handy when deciding what species might make the best pet

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Narrow stripped might be fun since they swim and are diurnal and a bit smaller than the giant stripped.

But my original slender is a decent choice as well being diurnal. Not living in groups isn't a bad thing those species often do well because they aren't programed to fight for top position.
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Re: Mongoose chat

Postby caninesrock » Sat Feb 11, 2012 6:58 am

I wanted a yellow mongoose at one point,but then found out they were federally banned. :wall: All those other mongoose are really interesting though. Now I want a narrow striped mongoose and a ringtailed mongoose. They don't have the same look as the yellow,but they still have their own unique look I like. The slender doesn't look as cute to me as the yellow for some reason personally, although, I do really think that the one you posted of the red one with the baby is beautiful. So, maybe if I got one that color instead of the yellow color, I might get one. The ringtailed is interesting. It's tail looks just like a red panda's tail. And I love how the narrow-striped looks like a cross between a squirrel and a weasel. So interesting. Thanks for sharing. ^^
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Re: Mongoose chat

Postby TamanduaGirl » Sat Feb 11, 2012 2:44 pm

I do love the look of the ringtailed too.

I agree the slender is different enough from the yellow that you can tell so not really a substitute but I like their look any way. The first time I saw a slender it was on a broker site in Denmark(no longer exists) and was mislabeled as a yellow. It was a VERY yellow color though and very pretty. Wish I still had that photo. They yellow do have cuter ears.

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Re: Mongoose chat

Postby TamanduaGirl » Sun Aug 10, 2014 1:17 pm

Stumbled across this pet/rescued slender mongoose and thought I'd put it here so I can find it later
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=kbLJqSaqyRE
There are more of Squiggles too
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Re: Mongoose chat

Postby TexasYankee » Mon May 25, 2015 1:28 am

TamanduaGirl:
When you say exports from Madagascar, do you mean that the federal government prohibits imports from there? Because I too was looking into getting the Malagasy "mongooses" (with a fantasy of doing so in the distant future), and in googling Madagascar export regulations, came upon this list of exporters. Madagascar also has quotas on two of the three Malagasy carnivores covered by CITES (the fossa's export appears to be unrestricted), which seemed to imply that they do export. Of course one thing about Madagascar is that it's a politically very unstable country, and laws change frequently. Even if there are no exports allowed now, the situation may be very different in a few years' time.

Also, when you say you used to see pygmy and striped mongooses for sale, do you mean dwarf and banded mongooses? (I suppose we really should use scientific names, but that feels pretentious.) If so, that supports my theory on the prohibition on most mongooses being rather recent.

I think this would be the third time that I've mentioned here that only the genuinely invasive small Asian mongoose appears to have been banned by proper means. The other eighteen species appear to be both non-invasive and not to have been listed through the proper channels. It almost appears that somebody at the FWS took a pen and declared "mongooses are dangerous; I'm going to add all the genera I know to this list." The FWS has promised to get back to me (after a delay where I thought they were ignoring me) by the end of June, with information on what the origin of the ban actually is.

The tiny optimist inside me hopes that their answer will be "the ban seems to be a mistake and we are working to remove these animals from the list." The pessimist fears that they will submit those species for public comment and ban them formally, despite lack of any evidence that they're invasive (they did that with certain snakes after all, and there was a public outcry involved there). The realist tells me they'll likely just say "we can't figure out why we have this ban, but we're pretty sure it's a good idea."

So my goal (unless the FWS proves my inner optimist or pessimist right) is to get sufficient money to import and care for a bunch of mongooses, and to hire the legal team that USARK is currently using in their lawsuit against the FWS. Then I hope to hire that team to demand that the FWS lift the illegal ban so I can import said mongooses. I can't imagine I'll have sufficient money for at least five years, more likely a decade or longer.
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Re: Mongoose chat

Postby TamanduaGirl » Mon May 25, 2015 2:39 am

Well I just know when the last fossa were for sale it was said to be the last allowed out of Madagascar. So it may not be written down in law but it may still be a policy. Sometimes laws work that way like they just give a office or branch power to control such things or they could just choose not to give the permits. But if you found exporters there maybe you could get some of the mongooses. You could certainly ask about Fossa too but I'm sure if it were possible someone would have brought more in but as you said things could easily change.
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Re: Mongoose chat

Postby TexasYankee » Mon May 25, 2015 2:56 am

I can think of three ways to interpret the lack of fossa for sale.

The first is that all exports of native animals are prohibited, either by statute or policy.

The second is that with fossa are listed under CITES Appendix I, the lack of a quota means that Madagascar doesn't export any.

The third depends: were these exports for the private market? It's also possible that they were the last exports before the revision of the CITES appendices came into effect, or that Madagascar had previously ignored the "wild caught species from Appendix I are for non-commercial purposes only" rule and has now started enforcing it.

Problem is that the only reason I would import animals is if I intended to establish a viable breeding population. That means a fairly large number of animals, ideally two dozen of each species, I'd say. I currently have neither the money to import animals in such numbers, nor the space to house them.
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Re: Mongoose chat

Postby TamanduaGirl » Mon May 25, 2015 7:04 pm

Think it was probably that the last imports were before they were listed as CITES I where as the other listings will have quotas of allowed exports. The wording of the seller wasn't supper clear about it but that is most likely.
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Re: Mongoose chat

Postby TexasYankee » Mon May 25, 2015 9:17 pm

Makes sense.

By the way, the pygmy and striped mongooses you mentioned seeing for sale: were those dwarf (Helogale spp.) and banded (Mungos mungo) mongooses or were they something else? Also, around when did you see them?

FWS has promised to get back to me with information on the ban by the end of June, but I'm not expecting that anyone will actually know how those species made it onto the ban list; I'm more curious to see what they have to say about not knowing.

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