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Mongoose chat

Postby TamanduaGirl » Wed Dec 28, 2011 6:57 pm

I love mongoose. I need a prohibited animal permit for them in my state though(some banned federally but not all species). A friend got the permit for Tayra so I will have her guide me when I think I may be able.

My dream really is to eventually get the permit for my state and import some slender mongooses for breeding. And look they come in red http://www.botswanawildlife.com/article ... mage14.jpg
Or this guy sorta reddish brown
http://www.colorsofwildlife.net/forum/i ... 419.0.html

I first fell in love with the species when I saw a captive yellow colored slender mongoose for sale in Denmaark. Apparently they are rare and are a leucistic version I'm rambling now though
http://amrodel.deviantart.com/art/Slend ... -178308313

Edit:Best to start with this info

The ones you can't have:
genera Atilax(marsh),
Cynictis(yellow),
Helogale(dwarf),
Herpestes(javan, grey, brown, etc. http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Herpestes),
Ichneumia(white-tailed),
Mungos(banded mongoose),
Suricata(meerkat)

You can have any species not in those genus.
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Re: Any Animals You're Looking For?

Postby Elina » Wed Dec 28, 2011 7:31 pm

I filmed some mongoose at a zoo over a year ago for you but totally forgot to upload it! Shall try to remember tomorrow :icon-wink: .
I saw some yellow mongoose for sale over here the other week but when I enquired about the price they had already sold :icon-frown: .
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Re: Any Animals You're Looking For?

Postby TamanduaGirl » Wed Dec 28, 2011 7:45 pm

I love the yellow of course you can't have those in USA(not without that near impossible federal permit). Would have been interesting to hear the price though. A yellow slender is similar in appearance though longer and slimmer with a dark tip instead of light.

Ones you can have in USA
Genus Bdeogale (mongooses)
Genus Crossarchus (cusimanses)
Genus Dologale (Pousargues's mongoose)
Genus Galerella (slender mongooses)
Genus Liberiictis (Liberian mongoose)
Genus Paracynictis (Selous's mongoose)
Genus Rhynchogale (Meller's mongoose)

Or if I'm missing something anything not on the list
viewtopic.php?f=71&t=6033

Of course there are also some Eupleridae which are called mongoose but aren't true mongoose so would be okay too.

The Narrow-Striped Mongoose,Mungotictis, is another of my favorites, tiny and sort of squirrel like.
http://www.flickr.com/photos/kittywrinkle/5053946388/
They have such lovely tails
http://www.durrell.org/library/animals/ ... ngoose.jpg

Also a broad stripped which is similar
Galidictis fasciata and actually upleridae
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Re: Mongoose chat

Postby TamanduaGirl » Wed Dec 28, 2011 8:04 pm

In contrast to the leucistic slender here is a melanistic banded
http://www.flickr.com/photos/76033499@N00/3018747139/
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Re: Mongoose chat

Postby TamanduaGirl » Wed Dec 28, 2011 8:58 pm

More comprehensive list of mongoose that are not banned

True mongooses

Bdeogale
bushy-tailed mongoose(Bdeogale crassicauda)
Jackson's mongoose(Bdeogale jacksoni)
black-footed mongoose(Bdeogale nigripes)

Crossarchus (cusimanses)
long-nosed cusimanse (Crossarchus obscurus)
Alexander's cusimanse (Crossarchus alexandri)
Ansorge's cusimanse (Crossarchus ansorgei)
flat-headed kusimanse (Crossarchus platycephalus)

Dologale (Pousargues's mongoose)
Pousargues's mongoose (Dologale dybowskii)

Galerella (slender mongooses)
slender mongoose (Galerella sanguinea)
black slender mongoose(Galerella flavescens)
Somalian slender mongoose(Galerella ochracea)
Cape gray mongoose(Galerella pulverulenta)

Liberiictis (Liberian mongoose)
Liberian mongoose(Liberiictis kuhni)

Paracynictis (Selous's mongoose)
Selous's mongoose (Paracynictis selousi)

Rhynchogale (Meller's mongoose)
Meller's mongoose(Rhynchogale melleri)

Other mongooses

Galidiinae (Malagasy mongooses)
ring-tailed mongoose(Galidia elegans)
broad-striped mongoose(Galidictis fasciata)
giant-striped mongoose(Galidictis grandidieri)
narrow-striped mongoose(Mungotictis decemlineata)
brown-tailed mongoose(Salanoia concolor)
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Re: Mongoose chat

Postby TamanduaGirl » Wed Dec 28, 2011 9:50 pm

With photos

True mongooses

Bdeogale
bushy-tailed mongoose(Bdeogale crassicauda)
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Jackson's mongoose(Bdeogale jacksoni)(seems to get confussed with black-footed below so not sure the photo is labeled correct)
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http://www.udzungwacentre.org/public/ph ... b_ct_8.jpg

black-footed mongoose(Bdeogale nigripes)
http://www.flickr.com/photos/juliedewil ... 558976438/
Dead http://www.flickr.com/photos/juliedewil ... 558976438/

Crossarchus (cusimanses)
long-nosed cusimanse (Crossarchus obscurus)
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Alexander's cusimanse (Crossarchus alexandri)
Ansorge's cusimanse (Crossarchus ansorgei)
flat-headed kusimanse (Crossarchus platycephalus)

Dologale (Pousargues's mongoose)
Pousargues's mongoose (Dologale dybowskii)
http://www.terrambiente.org/fauna/Mammi ... owskii.jpg

Galerella (slender mongooses)
slender mongoose (Galerella sanguinea)
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Baby red http://photo.colorsofwildlife.net/20110 ... 142185.jpg

black slender mongoose(Galerella flavescens)
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http://worldnaturephoto.com/images/deta ... a_8993.jpg
http://archive.fieldmuseum.org/tanzania ... _308_a.jpg

Somalian slender mongoose(Galerella ochracea)
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http://img1.photographersdirect.com/img ... 666248.jpg

Cape gray mongoose(Galerella pulverulenta)
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http://2.bp.blogspot.com/_zxnmCSWpaVg/T ... hond+1.jpg

Liberiictis (Liberian mongoose)
Liberian mongoose(Liberiictis kuhni)
Image

Paracynictis (Selous's mongoose)
Selous's mongoose (Paracynictis selousi)
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Rhynchogale (Meller's mongoose)
Meller's mongoose(Rhynchogale melleri)
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Other mongooses

Galidiinae (Malagasy mongooses)
ring-tailed mongoose(Galidia elegans)
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http://scienceblogs.com/laelaps/ringtailedmongoose.jpg

broad-striped mongoose(Galidictis fasciata)
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giant-striped mongoose(Galidictis grandidieri)
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http://itech.pensacolastate.edu/sctag/G ... e/pic3.jpg

narrow-striped mongoose(Mungotictis decemlineata)
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brown-tailed mongoose(Salanoia concolor)
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Durrell's vontsira (Salanoia durrelli)
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Of course fossa are also in Eupleridae

Like some day dream of a canine zoo I'd love a mongoose and Eupleridae zoo there's so much variety people don't know about.
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Re: Mongoose chat

Postby the_unstable » Thu Dec 29, 2011 12:28 pm

Ahhh they're all so cute, but I think both of the striped types that are pictured are my favorite. I love the black slender one also. I hope you get some - it would be neat to learn about what they are like as pets.
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Re: Mongoose chat

Postby TamanduaGirl » Thu Dec 29, 2011 3:04 pm

They make great pets, may vary some by species of course, most pet info is on the banned species. They tend to smell I think but so do most things I like. Remember riki-tiki-tavi, ha. I had a friend on myspace once with one in Hawaii she rescued, of course they are invasive there so not legal for her to have him but she couldn't just let him die. Personality wise I'd say maybe a cross between a ferret and a cat with maybe a little dog thrown in. Left free they will sleep with you at night(might not be the case for a nocturnal one but most of them aren't). She took hers places with her and he was friendly. Jeff Corwin had a pet pygmy one sleep with him on one of his adventures, was a camp pet at the pace he was staying.

I used to see striped and pygmy mongooses for sale sometimes a long time ago but they are both on the banned list now, maybe they were then too but started enforcing it so you never see them now.

Maybe a little destructive http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=4HBJ9IJMD_w
Cute then a bit destructive http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=IaLKV2tSFV0

This guy's got a really nice cage
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=NS_VgJkMFwY

Play
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=uKcEri_s-dk

Of course meerkats are common in the UK since they don't have the same stupid law
http://youtu.be/t05x56Gi8jE

Darn now I'm wasting time watching videos

A little more destructiveness http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=xz9OF0OV1ok

But snuggle time to make up for it
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=X030qNW9V2Y

And get along with other pets http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=dGMLH4EG4Po (who aren't prey size)

And yeah the giant stripped are lovely. People would think you had a weird chipmunk at first.
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Re: Mongoose chat

Postby the_unstable » Fri Dec 30, 2011 2:10 pm

Agh they are sooo cute! The cage in the third link is quite nice. I wouldn't mind having something like that for my own critters.

The meercats...aghhhh! Such cuteness and awesomeness.

Unfortunately I'm guessing it is quite hard to come by a mongoose for sale as a pet...I might have to put them on my "Oh, maybe someday..." wishlist.
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Re: Mongoose chat

Postby TamanduaGirl » Fri Dec 30, 2011 2:56 pm

Yeah aside from the cusimanse there don't seem to be any in the USA and even those are rare. Unfortunately meerkats seem to be the most common in the UK and you can't have them here but I've seen some of the others there before so some might be possible. I'm resigned to the fact I'd be getting untamed breeder pairs(maybe from the wild if it's legal), then get pets from raising the babies. Which is part of why I can't do it here. I'll need to make nice large naturalistic set ups for each pair or group(if they can live in groups), plus meet what standards the state wants, which probably don't include being in a residential neighborhood.

Unfortunately Eupleridae is native to Madagascar so might not be able to get any of those. The private sector fossas never bred. I've not heard of any of the others outside zoos. Still might not be impossible for some the Boston zoo(I think that's the one) has ringtailed mongoose. Might be able to get zoo babies if persistent eventually.

I'll have to focus on real mongooses. Slender being my choice for now. Still wont be easy finding them even once I get a permit.
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Re: Mongoose chat

Postby the_unstable » Fri Dec 30, 2011 3:11 pm

You'll be a pioneer of some sort once you get a pair and start breeding them. That would be really fun, lots of new things to learn for yourself and something to be proud of as you'll be one of the first in the nation to breed them.

How soon do you hope to acquire the slender mongooses?
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Re: Mongoose chat

Postby TamanduaGirl » Fri Dec 30, 2011 10:34 pm

No time soon unfortunately, unless something changes. I'll have to be able to buy a place so I can build them a nice large habitat up to the state standards for prohibited species(or buy out of state). Though another option would be to try and get them to list a mongoose species as uncontrolled instead of prohibited. Anything not listed is treated as prohibited but it's possible to petition to have them listed. I don't really know what's involved. I'd have to find a species that it is proven can't survive our winters here, so can't be invasive. Still would have to move first I think. Unless I got lucky and found some tame ones they wont breed in my room so would still need to go with a nice big naturalistic set up. I may look into the getting them listed thing a little more in the mean time. It would make it easier, would just need to worry about my own standards.

And I still need to get a male tamandua. Births are mostly around May so fingers crossed and then wait for him to grow up and hope he's not psycho like the last one.
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Re: Mongoose chat

Postby TamanduaGirl » Fri Dec 30, 2011 11:15 pm

So checked and all species of true mongoose are prohibited so need that permit.

Would have to be an Eupleridae species to get something new listed. Might just be a chance since they are all tropical species but then the problem would be finding them.

They seem to need their list updated anyway it lists "Mongooses & Fossa - Herpestidae" Fossa aren't Herpestidae but Eupleridae. So maybe if they say Eupleridae used to be Herpestidae I could be stuck with the permit no matter what but a hearing would get it cleared up at least.

Thinking the giant stripe are my favorite of those. Look at those ears
http://www.flickr.com/photos/rowe_becky/4656316654/
For size http://www.flickr.com/photos/rowe_becky/4656315396

Stonehenge in Madagascar? http://www.flickr.com/photos/rowe_becky/4656316654/

Gee they must be at least semi-common(though is ICUN EN) but still don't know if Madagascar allows exports. I don't see Galidictis grandidieri listed on CITES so shipping would be possible. Looks like none of the "mongoose" Eupleridae species are listed with CITES. That's a plus since looking out of the country opens up more possibilities.
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Re: Mongoose chat

Postby Neofelis » Sat Dec 31, 2011 4:40 am

Wait, the FOSSA is federally banned too?!
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Re: Mongoose chat

Postby the_unstable » Sat Dec 31, 2011 1:09 pm

It sounds complicated. I do hope you'll be able to do it. It would be really great to have someone on the board with a mongoose of any kind! The giant stripes are very adorable.

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