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Most Wanted Invasive Species

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Which invasive species do you want the most?

Flying Fox/Fruit Bat
6
17%
Mongoose
6
17%
Meerkat
1
3%
Dhole
8
23%
Raccoon Dog
12
34%
Brushtailed Possum
2
6%
Nondomestic European Rabbit
0
No votes
Multimammate Mouse
0
No votes
African Soft-Furred Rat
0
No votes
 
Total votes: 35
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Most Wanted Invasive Species

Postby caninesrock » Sun Feb 05, 2012 1:23 am

Which invasive species do you wish you could have the most?

For me, it's the dhole,but the raccoon dog comes in second.
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Re: Most Wanted Invasive Species

Postby Ash » Sun Feb 05, 2012 2:06 am

You should have added pythons and boas since now they're "invasive." Grr...

I went ahead and chose dholes. I love them a lot too.
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Re: Most Wanted Invasive Species

Postby the_unstable » Sun Feb 05, 2012 8:50 pm

If you search "African Soft Furred rat" and "Multimammate mouse/rat" you'll find the same animal. I'm guessing people have these animals and they are miss-labeled and are not actually the illegal species known as the African Soft Furred Rat. What they really are...well, I don't know. But the animal you see in search results is often bred for feeding reptiles, particularly wild caught pythons. They are somewhat hard to come by. They are always (at least from what I have found) called African Soft Furred Rats or Multimammate mouse/rat.

As far as having a rodent in captivity goes, I would say they are wild. The females seem to be more aggressive than males, actively moving across the cage to attack the caregiver.
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Re: Most Wanted Invasive Species

Postby Nova » Mon Feb 06, 2012 3:41 pm

I've always wanted a golden flying fox bat. They are so adorable!
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Re: Most Wanted Invasive Species

Postby caninesrock » Mon Feb 06, 2012 7:48 pm

the_unstable wrote:If you search "African Soft Furred rat" and "Multimammate mouse/rat" you'll find the same animal. I'm guessing people have these animals and they are miss-labeled and are not actually the illegal species known as the African Soft Furred Rat. What they really are...well, I don't know. But the animal you see in search results is often bred for feeding reptiles, particularly wild caught pythons. They are somewhat hard to come by. They are always (at least from what I have found) called African Soft Furred Rats or Multimammate mouse/rat.

As far as having a rodent in captivity goes, I would say they are wild. The females seem to be more aggressive than males, actively moving across the cage to attack the caregiver.


There are several different species of multimammate rats/mice. The African Soft-Furred Rat is the only one that has a common name though. The choice of Multimammate mouse is meant to include all of the other "nameless" multimattae rats/mice.
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Re: Most Wanted Invasive Species

Postby the_unstable » Mon Feb 06, 2012 9:47 pm

Well, all of the species of the genus Mastomys are illegal, so unless there are other species of multimammate rats/mice that are not of that genus, then they're all federally illegal.

viewtopic.php?t=6033

The Mastomys natalensis is the one referred to as the African Soft Furred rat, and it is of the Mastomys genus, so that would mean it is federally illegal. So either people are wrong about the species of these rodents that are already in this country or there is a federally illegal species being commonly bred.

Now someone needs to start that up with raccoon dogs.
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Re: Most Wanted Invasive Species

Postby caninesrock » Mon Feb 06, 2012 10:03 pm

the_unstable wrote:Well, all of the species of the genus Mastomys are illegal, so unless there are other species of multimammate rats/mice that are not of that genus, then they're all federally illegal.

viewtopic.php?t=6033

The Mastomys natalensis is the one referred to as the African Soft Furred rat, and it is of the Mastomys genus, so that would mean it is federally illegal. So either people are wrong about the species of these rodents that are already in this country or there is a federally illegal species being commonly bred.


Exactly. Which is why I listed Multimattae rats/mice in this poll as invasive. It's also why I have the African Soft Furred Rat in the poll. The only reason I seperated out the African Soft Fur is that it's the only one that has a common name that people may be able to more easily reconize it by. I am not sure on the breeding,but with something as small as a mouse, it wouldn't suprise me if they got away with it,especially since you can import european rabbits as long as you say they're domestic even though they are technically an invasive species,so maybe people just import them as "domestic mouse" or just "mouse" or "rat" or "domestic rat",etc. on their import papers.

Now someone needs to start that up with raccoon dogs

*Cough* Ken's Exotics *Cough*
Well,not anymore,but he was selling an adult breeder pair at one point. I don't know what ever happened to them though, if someone from another country bought them, he stopped advertising them for fear of getting in trouble and still secretly houses them, sent them back to who ever he was brokering them for, they were siezed by the gov,etc.
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Re: Most Wanted Invasive Species

Postby Ash » Mon Feb 06, 2012 11:59 pm

caninesrock wrote:
Now someone needs to start that up with raccoon dogs

*Cough* Ken's Exotics *Cough*
Well,not anymore,but he was selling an adult breeder pair at one point. I don't know what ever happened to them though, if someone from another country bought them, he stopped advertising them for fear of getting in trouble and still secretly houses them, sent them back to who ever he was brokering them for, they were siezed by the gov,etc.


He told me he was only selling them to zoos or other approved facilities. Many accredited zoos go through him.
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Re: Most Wanted Invasive Species

Postby the_unstable » Tue Feb 07, 2012 12:47 am

caninesrock wrote:
the_unstable wrote:Well, all of the species of the genus Mastomys are illegal, so unless there are other species of multimammate rats/mice that are not of that genus, then they're all federally illegal.

viewtopic.php?t=6033

The Mastomys natalensis is the one referred to as the African Soft Furred rat, and it is of the Mastomys genus, so that would mean it is federally illegal. So either people are wrong about the species of these rodents that are already in this country or there is a federally illegal species being commonly bred.


Exactly. Which is why I listed Multimattae rats/mice in this poll as invasive. It's also why I have the African Soft Furred Rat in the poll. The only reason I seperated out the African Soft Fur is that it's the only one that has a common name that people may be able to more easily reconize it by. I am not sure on the breeding,but with something as small as a mouse, it wouldn't suprise me if they got away with it,especially since you can import european rabbits as long as you say they're domestic even though they are technically an invasive species,so maybe people just import them as "domestic mouse" or just "mouse" or "rat" or "domestic rat",etc. on their import papers.

Now someone needs to start that up with raccoon dogs

*Cough* Ken's Exotics *Cough*
Well,not anymore,but he was selling an adult breeder pair at one point. I don't know what ever happened to them though, if someone from another country bought them, he stopped advertising them for fear of getting in trouble and still secretly houses them, sent them back to who ever he was brokering them for, they were siezed by the gov,etc.


Yeah, I know, I was just simply discussing the species.

I heard about Ken having the raccoon dogs...strange. I wonder what happened with that. I'd love to have a white raccoon dog. They're so cute. I guess raccoons will have to do for now.

Considering all the bans that are popping up, I doubt we'll have any luck legalizing them. We'll be lucky if we can own a ferret in 20 years...argh.
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Re: Most Wanted Invasive Species

Postby Neofelis » Tue Feb 07, 2012 1:07 am

We over here in CA already can't. D:
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Re: Most Wanted Invasive Species

Postby TamanduaGirl » Tue Feb 07, 2012 9:21 pm

The whole thing with the mice/rats is due to genus confusion. Some places list is as Mastomys natalensis others Praomys natalensis. Mastomys is banned but Praomys is not.

There is actually more than one species of brushtail possum and only the one is banned so you can get them just not the one species.
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Re: Most Wanted Invasive Species

Postby Alynn » Thu Mar 29, 2012 2:22 pm

Of the animals listed, flying fox/fruit bat.

However, what I would love to have is a giant African pouched rat.
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Giant_pouched_rat
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Gambian_Pouched_Rat

They're so CUTE and I love rats to start with, and I'd love a bigger rat to cuddle with. C:

Unfortunately they were declared an invasion threat and I doubt that they will be allowed to be sold any more.
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Re: Most Wanted Invasive Species

Postby Neofelis » Thu Mar 29, 2012 2:30 pm

Apparently there are feral Gambians in Florida now....
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Re: Most Wanted Invasive Species

Postby the_unstable » Thu Mar 29, 2012 2:36 pm

Gambian Pouched Rats? I want!
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Re: Most Wanted Invasive Species

Postby caninesrock » Thu Mar 29, 2012 5:23 pm

Alynn wrote:Of the animals listed, flying fox/fruit bat.

However, what I would love to have is a giant African pouched rat.
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Giant_pouched_rat
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Gambian_Pouched_Rat

They're so CUTE and I love rats to start with, and I'd love a bigger rat to cuddle with. C:

Unfortunately they were declared an invasion threat and I doubt that they will be allowed to be sold any more.

Wait. Is that a new law that just passed? I didn't see it anywhere in the invasive species law that TG posted in the Laws and Legal Issues section.
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