I saw each page of the thread linked, including the dead fox, which does not disturb me. I haven't seen the inside of a fur farm, just videos and pictures on the net. I thought it was said that Dave is federally USDA licensed and the cage sizes required are larger than that of just state-level fur farms? Also, I still do not agree with that being enough space for a fox to stay in 24/7, but like I said, I agree to disagree. The videos and pictures I have seen of fur farms, even when the whole cage is shown, they're still quite a bit smaller looking than Dave's cages. About the mink cages being labeled as fox - I would think a person would have to be kind of slow to believe that a cage that small could even fit a fox, literally crammed into it.
As for being "okay with Dave", well...you read the thread that I started sometime ago about them - the one that got locked. I just pretty much see his business as being a higher quality fur farm that decided to sell animals as pets also to make more money. That is my opinion.
About USDA licensing - I was under the impression that it was quite strict, reading some of the old threads on this forum, one mentioning something about the inspector taking issue with wild mouse feces in a barn or something like that. I haven't read it in a while. To get a USDA license in my state, it seems much more difficult with stricter regulations than to just go on the DNR site and fill out a game breeder's permit application. I talked to my county conservation officer about it and I recall him saying that he had "seen some bad fur farms". I didn't ask him for more detail and he didn't voluntarily elaborate.
Alynn - The fox in the third picture looks horrible, so ragged, mangy, and unhealthy. It's tail is not fluffy and thick like fox's tail should be. It looks like the other pictures are of the same farm, probably on the same day as the grass and such looks the same, so at least the same season. Another fox in a different picture looks to have a bushier tail, which would make me think that there is just simply something wrong with the fox in the first picture I mentioned. Interestingly enough, I apparently live fairly close to that fur farm. I wonder if they'd give me a tour hahaha. Apparently that same farm was raided just on October 7th, a bunch of mink were released but no foxes.
Anyway, my final point is that I do respect your guys' opinions. I do see that fur is a better alternative to synthetic fur because it is better for the environment, though I don't agree that animals should have to live these lives stuck in cages. I also acknowledge that fur farms probably treat their animals better than some farms with cows, chickens, etc (at least from what I have heard about the cow and chicken farms which may not be true). However, I don't agree with fur farms because I feel like the animals deserve a better life than what they are given.
Edit: I found more pictures of that same farm. YUCK! http://www.animalliberationfrontline.co ... /10/71.jpghttp://www.animalliberationfrontline.co ... /10/72.jpg
It looks like this fox pen is broken http://www.animalliberationfrontline.co ... /10/61.jpg
A lot of the cages look awkward and lopsided and dumpy. The mink cages look a lot worse than the fox, but a lot of the fox cages have weird giant lumps of something gross looking in them, some of them in random spots on the side/top area of the cage.
The fox pens are bigger than I had expected them to be, however the mink cages still match up to all the other photos I've seen of other farms online - incredibly small, and of course no water to swim in. The pile of what looks like feces on the mink cages speaks for itself.