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Re: Sugar glider

Postby sarajeku » Fri Nov 22, 2013 11:16 am

Do keep in mind, the cost of the gliders aren't the only thing you will have to save up for.

Shipping ($189), a cage (varies- usually about $200), food ($30 for vitamins, monkey biscuits, and glider cereal, plus you'll also need to buy fruits, veggies, chicken, eggs, mealworms, yogurt, honey, etc), wheel (varies, I prefer the stealth wheel $50, the wodent wheel is good too.. I forget the price). Sleeping AND bonding pouches- Priscilla only sends ONE. You need as many as you can get! (varies by website). Neutering - Priscilla will have this done by her vet before shipping them, if you ask her to. I forget the price.. along the lines of $75. She requires a wellness check and fecal smear within 72 hours of arriving at your home. So have a vet on hand BEFORE you purchase your glider! I can't stress that enough. Many vets won't touch exotics.

All in all, when I got my boys (I paid $200 for all 3 because she didn't want to split them up, so she is VERY reasonable), I ended up spending over $1,000 in supplies, neutering, vetting, shipping and everything else they need to be happy and healthy.
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Re: Sugar glider

Postby Foxylady23 » Fri Nov 22, 2013 12:07 pm

I figured it would be about that much. I live in Ohio right next to OSU and I've checked, they're full of exotic vets, plus I have around three within 15 minutes of me, but I'm still going to call and make sure they'll work on sugar gliders. So that's not a problem. I have been saving up for this for a while. I could have gotten a free sugar glider a few years ago. Cage and everything! (the little girl who bought it bought into the lies the pet stores say and couldn't handle it. They didn't bond at all and she had to give it up, she was terrified of it when it crabbed) but it wasn't the time or place for me to get one. You wouldn't say that the yearly cost beyond the first year would be that much, would you? I'm willing to spend the money, but I'm just wondering.
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Re: Sugar glider

Postby PipTheHedgehog » Fri Nov 22, 2013 2:33 pm

Just thought i'd pop in and say that two SUPER good diets are BML (recipe here http://www.angelfire.com/nb/sugarglider/leadbeat.html) and HPW (can be purchased here http://www.critterlove.com/) - of course HPW does not come with fruits OR veggies. You have to go out and buy them for both diets. With HPW you can use ANY fruits and veggies, but with BML it has a recommend list for fruits and veggies.
I use BML myself, just because I like being able to go out and buy it whenever I run out and I don't have to wait on shipping.
They are the MOST common diets I see sugar glider owners use. You can gather more information on them and find breeders near you on http://www.glidercentral.net/ubbthreads/ubbthreads.php or if you have facebook, I HIGHLY suggest joining the Sugar Glider Fanatics group. TONS of nice people willing to give you all the information you need, plus there are tons of people there who are willing to make custom cagesets, toys, etc.
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Re: Sugar glider

Postby Foxylady23 » Fri Nov 22, 2013 3:31 pm

How much does the BML diet produce? Like Priscilla's diet lasts a month. Would this as well? And I know this is a little off topic, but I've heard diets with high protein make the animal smell. From your experience, does either Priscilla's or BML help with the smell? I know they need insects, that's fine, I had a few geckos so creepy crawlies aren't a big deal for me. I was just wondering if on either diet the animals have a smell?
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Re: Sugar glider

Postby sarajeku » Fri Nov 22, 2013 8:29 pm

I used Priscilla's diet, and I never made more than 2 weeks worth at a time. Her diet has quite a bit of protein and my boys never had much smell because I kept their cage and pouches clean. If you don't keep their cage clean, then they do stink.
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Re: Sugar glider

Postby PipTheHedgehog » Fri Nov 22, 2013 9:49 pm

I've never really see many people who use Priscilla's diet.
And a batch of BML lasts about a month.

And with any three of the diets that have been stated - they don't make a glider 'stink' these are good diets that have been made to meet EVERY need of their diets.
If you get an intact male glider, they WILL mark and put off a musky scent. ANd if you clean their cage sets too often that will cause them to over mark and make it smell awful.

When a male is neutered its scent glands slowly fade away and they begin to grow hair back on their head, etc. this will reduce the marking but no matter what they will have a slight musky smell, nothing too noticeable.
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Re: Sugar glider

Postby Foxylady23 » Fri Nov 22, 2013 10:14 pm

Good! Thank you guys for your help. I have seen so much conflicting information containing these little guys. Basically it seems like a battle vs. Pocket pets and their supporters and well...everyone else, and then people who just think they're terrible. I'm in biology class right now, and I talk a lot about exotics because most the people there are pretty exotic friendly and we actually have good debates if they aren't pro exotic. But my lab instructor today when I was talking about sugar gliders threw a hissy fit. Saying they smell horrible, they bite, they're nasty, they mess up everything, keep you up all night, and pee all over you. I'm pretty sure she just got to deal with people who really don't treat their sugar gliders right, because from what I've seen, gliders not meeting good dietary needs often smell bad, if they aren't properly bonded will bite and bark and crab, and I think she had one bad experience and just blamed the whole species. That's why she deals with wolves and not marsupials I guess :shrug: but because I'm not entirely sure what they are like, am I right about that stuff being just evidence of a bad owner, or are they really like that? I didn't think they were very aggressive, or smelly, or messy, but I did know that they have a tendency to pee on you I guess. Can you help me out since you guys own them?

Sorry I ask so many questions, I hope I'm not a bother, I just really want to get this right. I've seen to many owners of any animal ask too little questions, or just assume because they heard something in the past. I don't want to be like them. Heck, one sugar glider seller came to my mall (I believe it was pocket pets) and said that a part of their stable diet could be Doritos. DORITOS! I almost coughed up a lung when I heard that junk food should be a part of their normal diet. And the sad thing is, I know people who fully believed it. I just don't want to be them, ya know?
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Re: Sugar glider

Postby PipTheHedgehog » Sat Nov 23, 2013 12:27 pm

Foxylady23 wrote:Good! Thank you guys for your help. I have seen so much conflicting information containing these little guys. Basically it seems like a battle vs. Pocket pets and their supporters and well...everyone else, and then people who just think they're terrible. I'm in biology class right now, and I talk a lot about exotics because most the people there are pretty exotic friendly and we actually have good debates if they aren't pro exotic. But my lab instructor today when I was talking about sugar gliders threw a hissy fit. Saying they smell horrible, they bite, they're nasty, they mess up everything, keep you up all night, and pee all over you. I'm pretty sure she just got to deal with people who really don't treat their sugar gliders right, because from what I've seen, gliders not meeting good dietary needs often smell bad, if they aren't properly bonded will bite and bark and crab, and I think she had one bad experience and just blamed the whole species. That's why she deals with wolves and not marsupials I guess :shrug: but because I'm not entirely sure what they are like, am I right about that stuff being just evidence of a bad owner, or are they really like that? I didn't think they were very aggressive, or smelly, or messy, but I did know that they have a tendency to pee on you I guess. Can you help me out since you guys own them?

Sorry I ask so many questions, I hope I'm not a bother, I just really want to get this right. I've seen to many owners of any animal ask too little questions, or just assume because they heard something in the past. I don't want to be like them. Heck, one sugar glider seller came to my mall (I believe it was pocket pets) and said that a part of their stable diet could be Doritos. DORITOS! I almost coughed up a lung when I heard that junk food should be a part of their normal diet. And the sad thing is, I know people who fully believed it. I just don't want to be them, ya know?


First of all I have to say.. Pocket Pets is THE most horrible breeder out there.. Not only are they mill breeders, but they give out false information and do not care one bit about the well being of the glider.

For the biting, you are right. If the glider has not been socialized correctly as a joey and it is not bonded to its owner (or neglected), it may bite out of fear. Usually this will happen when they are approached by a stranger that they don't know or ever seen before. Rarely will they ever break the skin - most bites are just 'nips' or 'grooming' I have a female that will occasionally groom bite me (not sure how else to explain it) and after the first few she does get pretty rough with it. My male rather groom my fingers by licking. LOL Also i'd like to add biting depends on the glider - some are okay with strangers. My male is the more laid back type and will jump on any stranger I walk by. My female on the other hand is shy and easily scared, so she'll usually stick to me. Another thing to cause a glider to bite is if you pick it up the wrong way - some gliders do NOT like being picked up. You can slide your hands underneath them and cup your hands around them until they walk up on you, it's a bad idea to pick them up from behind like you would most small pets (some don't mind it though, like i said, depends on the glider).

Not only does a bad diet contribute to their smell - but it also discolors their fur and may begin to have cracks. A good way to tell if a glider is healthy and on a good diet is if their fur is exactly the color it needs to be, and no cracks. I'll upload a picture of the comparison of a healthy glider (probably will use standard gray as an example) and a discolored glider on a poor diet.

They DO pee and poop everywhere, I do have to say. I always have to change clothes after playing with them. They have very fast metabolisms, and of course when you first get them out of their pouch they will have to go. Sometimes they'll pee on you to mark you as theirs. And they aren't litter trainable. Honestly, I don't mind being pooped or peed on by them - it's not like they can create a huge puddle LOL it's usually just a few dribbles of pee and whatnot. Certainly not something to get worked up about.

As for the noise - mine are pretty quiet. The first few nights when I brought my first home she did bark once, but thats the only time I've ever heard them make a noise other than their usually chirpy/clicking sound that they make when they're happy. Mine usually make it while I'm petting them or while they're eating. They can also hiss - but all of these noises aren't very loud (crabbing is probably the loudest sound I've heard, in my opinion). Sometimes people get loud gliders, some get quiet ones.



As for the pictures I'm posting - the healthy looking, nice standard gray glider is my little boy Simba. He's such a little squish. When I take him outside for pictures I never have to worry about him scampering away since he's bonded to me. I could put him on the ground and he'd run as fast as he can to get back on me before I can even take a picture LOL.
The other picture is NOT my picture - you can see where it is stained in some parts of it's fur, of course staining can be MUCH worse.

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Re: Sugar glider

Postby PipTheHedgehog » Sat Nov 23, 2013 12:28 pm

Foxylady23 wrote:Good! Thank you guys for your help. I have seen so much conflicting information containing these little guys. Basically it seems like a battle vs. Pocket pets and their supporters and well...everyone else, and then people who just think they're terrible. I'm in biology class right now, and I talk a lot about exotics because most the people there are pretty exotic friendly and we actually have good debates if they aren't pro exotic. But my lab instructor today when I was talking about sugar gliders threw a hissy fit. Saying they smell horrible, they bite, they're nasty, they mess up everything, keep you up all night, and pee all over you. I'm pretty sure she just got to deal with people who really don't treat their sugar gliders right, because from what I've seen, gliders not meeting good dietary needs often smell bad, if they aren't properly bonded will bite and bark and crab, and I think she had one bad experience and just blamed the whole species. That's why she deals with wolves and not marsupials I guess :shrug: but because I'm not entirely sure what they are like, am I right about that stuff being just evidence of a bad owner, or are they really like that? I didn't think they were very aggressive, or smelly, or messy, but I did know that they have a tendency to pee on you I guess. Can you help me out since you guys own them?

Sorry I ask so many questions, I hope I'm not a bother, I just really want to get this right. I've seen to many owners of any animal ask too little questions, or just assume because they heard something in the past. I don't want to be like them. Heck, one sugar glider seller came to my mall (I believe it was pocket pets) and said that a part of their stable diet could be Doritos. DORITOS! I almost coughed up a lung when I heard that junk food should be a part of their normal diet. And the sad thing is, I know people who fully believed it. I just don't want to be them, ya know?


First of all I have to say.. Pocket Pets is THE most horrible breeder out there.. Not only are they mill breeders, but they give out false information and do not care one bit about the well being of the glider.

For the biting, you are right. If the glider has not been socialized correctly as a joey and it is not bonded to its owner (or neglected), it may bite out of fear. Usually this will happen when they are approached by a stranger that they don't know or ever seen before. Rarely will they ever break the skin - most bites are just 'nips' or 'grooming' I have a female that will occasionally groom bite me (not sure how else to explain it) and after the first few she does get pretty rough with it. My male rather groom my fingers by licking. LOL Also i'd like to add biting depends on the glider - some are okay with strangers. My male is the more laid back type and will jump on any stranger I walk by. My female on the other hand is shy and easily scared, so she'll usually stick to me. Another thing to cause a glider to bite is if you pick it up the wrong way - some gliders do NOT like being picked up. You can slide your hands underneath them and cup your hands around them until they walk up on you, it's a bad idea to pick them up from behind like you would most small pets (some don't mind it though, like i said, depends on the glider).

Not only does a bad diet contribute to their smell - but it also discolors their fur and may begin to have cracks. A good way to tell if a glider is healthy and on a good diet is if their fur is exactly the color it needs to be, and no cracks. I'll upload a picture of the comparison of a healthy glider (probably will use standard gray as an example) and a discolored glider on a poor diet.

They DO pee and poop everywhere, I do have to say. I always have to change clothes after playing with them. They have very fast metabolisms, and of course when you first get them out of their pouch they will have to go. Sometimes they'll pee on you to mark you as theirs. And they aren't litter trainable. Honestly, I don't mind being pooped or peed on by them - it's not like they can create a huge puddle LOL it's usually just a few dribbles of pee and whatnot. Certainly not something to get worked up about.

As for the noise - mine are pretty quiet. The first few nights when I brought my first home she did bark once, but thats the only time I've ever heard them make a noise other than their usually chirpy/clicking sound that they make when they're happy. Mine usually make it while I'm petting them or while they're eating. They can also hiss - but all of these noises aren't very loud (crabbing is probably the loudest sound I've heard, in my opinion). Sometimes people get loud gliders, some get quiet ones.



As for the pictures I'm posting - the healthy looking, nice standard gray glider is my little boy Simba. He's such a little squish. When I take him outside for pictures I never have to worry about him scampering away since he's bonded to me. I could put him on the ground and he'd run as fast as he can to get back on me before I can even take a picture LOL.

http://i40.tinypic.com/29p7rkj.jpg


The other picture is NOT my picture - you can see where it is stained in some parts of it's fur, of course staining can be MUCH worse.

http://i42.tinypic.com/2hpjdrr.jpg


Sorry for using Tinypic, i couldn't get the attachment things to work.
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Re: Sugar glider

Postby Foxylady23 » Sat Nov 23, 2013 12:51 pm

Oh my gosh, I see the discoloring. I remember noticing it on those pocket pet breeder people at the mall but just thought that was normal! Should have known...
Omg your baby is soooooo cute! I just want to dunk him in my coffee :) lol, not really, then I'd have a fur ball :lol: I thought that was the case (as to your comment on their behavior). I've heard most owners say they aren't that loud, some do though. Like you said, it depends on the glider (or any animal for that matter). She really scared me for a second with being so negative. She's usually the first person on the animal train.
I've been trying to hunt down breeders for the past few days. Some in my area, some not. I really like Pricilla's page gliders, I'm just worried about their ages. I've heard that the best time to get a glider is around 6-8 weeks OOP. All hers seem to be months to years old and being sold at those ages. Is that a problem or do I get on some sort of wait list or something? I've contacted other breeders in my area, but she really has the best priced gliders from a USDA breeder I've seen so far. Plus her neutering cost is pretty cheap, which is what I was hoping for....so I'm confused on how that whole thing works...

OH! And I forgot to ask, with either of those two diet plans, HPW and BML, do you need to give them a vitamin along with that or is that everything they need?
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Re: Sugar glider

Postby PipTheHedgehog » Sat Nov 23, 2013 1:34 pm

http://www.sugargliderhelp.com/links/pa ... index.html
try searching here for more breeders. I've never personally bought from her - but I've heard good things about her. Gliders are usually more expensive if they have hets. If you find a glider that has no hets (and is pet only) - they'll probably be cheaper. Gliders from breeders usually cost 200 and up, sometimes in the thousands. Pricing also has to do with what color they are and what breeder they come from. All breeders have a different pricing range, sometimes it's higher if the joey has an amazing personality.

About the age - they say it's best to get a joey right when it's weaned, but really any age is fine. They'll bond to you no matter the age. If you buy a rescue, sometimes it can be harder to bond with them and take longer, but eventually they'll all come around sooner or later.


And thanks, couldn't say no to his little face when I found him <3
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Re: Sugar glider

Postby Foxylady23 » Sat Nov 23, 2013 1:42 pm

Yeah, I looked at all the ones in Ohio, and they're pretty price-y. Even for being in ohio! I was thinking about getting a mosaic and gray, not to breed, but just because gosh darn it those mosaics are so darn cute! We'll see if I have the money saved when the time comes :shrug: if not I'll go with the standard greys. What about that Critter Love place? They had some cute babies on there. Do they ship and are they pricey? I don't see any prices listed.
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Re: Sugar glider

Postby PipTheHedgehog » Sat Nov 23, 2013 3:20 pm

Mo's are cute, I plan on having a plat and leu in the future, they're my favvoorrite colors!

And as for Critterlove, she is actually the person who makes the HPW. Peggy also has VERY pretty gliders - also very sweet ones. If you have facebook you can look at all her joeys for sale and see the pricing on her facebook page. o:

Critterlove ships!
And if you're not too much on the standard gray coloring, white faces are the next thing up. Those are pretty common as well and won't cost as much as a mosaic.
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Re: Sugar glider

Postby Foxylady23 » Mon Nov 25, 2013 5:47 pm

She sounds great! Her babies are so cute, and yeah I was thinking about a WF too. They look enough like a mosaic for me and much cheaper! I'm in love with her babies. If Im not correct, greys look like 200, WF 225. Imma look up shipping but they very well could be the breeder I choose from. Thanks!

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