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Fox owners in KY, TN, AL, GA?

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Fox owners in KY, TN, AL, GA?

Postby lovebaileyfox » Sat Jan 10, 2015 2:00 pm

Anyone own foxes in these states??
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Re: Fox owners in KY, TN, AL, GA?

Postby linseylou » Sat Jan 10, 2015 2:09 pm

I live in tn and I have an arctic named Oy, there are a couple of others in tn that I know of; but I'm pretty sure tn is the only legal state out of the ones you've named... and in tn you can only have Arctics and fennecs
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Re: Fox owners in KY, TN, AL, GA?

Postby lovebaileyfox » Sat Jan 10, 2015 4:11 pm

I know of someone with silvers in TN. And someone with marbles. It may be "illegal" but its not enforced. :) Where do you live in TN? And where did you get your foxy? :)
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Postby TamanduaGirl » Sat Jan 10, 2015 5:13 pm

Native foxes are class 2 in TN so reds can be possessed with a permit.

Do not confuse people not being caught with laws not being enforced. People do this in California all the time with ferrets. They know people who have them so think it's "okay and not enforced" but it is. Ferrets are seized and killed all the time in CA. It's just not new worthy.
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Re: Fox owners in KY, TN, AL, GA?

Postby lovebaileyfox » Sat Jan 10, 2015 5:25 pm

They could have permits...idk. All I know is, the state is aware that they have them. All I was saying is I don't see how it could be illegal. :)
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Postby linseylou » Sat Jan 10, 2015 6:13 pm

I live in the knoxville area, Oy came from a Breeder in Indiana
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Re: Fox owners in KY, TN, AL, GA?

Postby BlueBaby1023 » Sat Jan 10, 2015 8:01 pm

lovebaileyfox: TG is right, it is illegal. And the recent story of the dumped silver fox in TN reinforced that they aren't "letting it slide". If the law enforcement catches wind of it, they will be seized and may be euthanized if they are not permitted.

TG: In California, they no longer euthanize seized ferrets. They are all transported to one of three ferret rescues in Oregon. :) I spoke with a ferret/hedgehog rescue at an adoption/charity event about the situation in California in 2012, and they said that a vet in CA who is an exotic specialist (supposedly the best ferret vet) takes them after they are seized and arranges transport to Oregon. It's unfortunately not true for all of the hedgehogs seized yet, but the numbers being euthanized are diminishing too.
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Postby TamanduaGirl » Sat Jan 10, 2015 11:08 pm

What I had originally heard was only one rescue who was licensed and allowed to move them out of CA and they couldn't handle all the ferrets so most were still euthanized but yeah that was years ago. I didn't have more details though about who that was or maybe I just forgot the details. Maybe the vet is the same rescue and he has more places to send them or he took over and the other retired or something.

Good to know though that they are working on placing more seized animals instead of euthanizing.
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Anyway, lovebaileyfox, we often get members join and think somehow it's perfectly okay to get a fox illegally "because they wont get caught" and didn't know if you were thinking on getting a fox illegally since "it's not enforced". I would hope the people you know of have permits but even if they don't and it's true the "government" knows and hasn't done anything there could be many reasons for that wouldn't necessarily mean all cases are ignored. So nothing personal just wanted to be sure, information is your friend ;) While getting caught may just be a fine for you it can have worse consequences for the fox.
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Re: Fox owners in KY, TN, AL, GA?

Postby lovebaileyfox » Thu Jan 15, 2015 11:05 am

I just wanted to know who in TN had foxes... I did have a marble for 2 years. He died a while ago because something got hung in his throat. The lady I got him from also lives in Tennessee. She raises marbles AND works for the state. I asked her if it was legal without a permit and she said it was. She didn't have a reason to lie to me. Just saying, y'all. The internet sites may state its illegal but that doesn't mean it is. No one ever bothered me about the fox I had. :) again, just saying. :)
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Re: Fox owners in KY, TN, AL, GA?

Postby pat » Thu Jan 15, 2015 11:58 am

lovebaileyfox,

I personally think it is best to call your states dnr to make sure. ask for the permits department.
if need be, ask for it in writing or email.

also, keep in mind, a city/township can override the state.
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Re: Fox owners in KY, TN, AL, GA?

Postby TamanduaGirl » Thu Jan 15, 2015 3:01 pm

It's not just from some random online source it's from TN own laws http://www.tn.gov/sos/rules/1660/1660-01/1660-01-18.pdf

As pat said talk to someone who works for the right department if you decide to get another. Native fox are listed as class 2 which does have a permit but it could be they interpret that to mean native colors even though that's not written that way. It's not uncommon for that sort of thing to happen.

Your friend may have them under this "Furbearing mammals, including those native to Tennessee, raised solely for the sale of fur" are class 3(no permit needed), since she is breeding them but it's written as only for fur though so they would have to be just ignoring the fact she's not skinning any so it could be the color thing or just that no one from the right department ever looked at her.

PS a friend who breeds all kinds of things in my state who has pretty much every permit and license ever told me once a species she breeds that I was interested in was legal without permit, but the state told me otherwise. Had I not gotten the state message at the same time I would have taken her word for it and run and got one from here, and then been illegal. A reminder to myself to always verify with an official.

All that said we try not to chase illegal owners off as we want to hear their stories and help if need be but we try to discourage it from happening due to the risk to the fox.
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Re: Fox owners in KY, TN, AL, GA?

Postby KattAndTheHat » Sat Feb 07, 2015 2:05 pm

I live in TN with my arctic, Akane :)

As for the color phases, people seem to have different info. My vet takes care of a couple of marbles, and I know of a few people who have non-native colors.
There was actually a huge rally of exotic lovers a few months back when they found the poor silver fox, and everyone was trying to clarify whether or not all reds were illegal.
The silver was granted permission to stay with it's rescuers and we all got a false sense of hope about fox ownership, but the TWRA responded back after about a week and made it clear that reds of all colors are currently illegal in tennessee :/
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Re: Fox owners in KY, TN, AL, GA?

Postby Ash » Sat Feb 07, 2015 3:53 pm

Some of the people who own the marbles typically like to be deceptive about it too. Since the official name of a marble fox is "arctic marble" and it is white, many (even the DNR) ignorantly assume they are arctics, when they are not.

I have seen people buy/keep marbles (red foxes) hoping no one would be the wiser. Obviously, I don't recommend this. You're just playing with fire, and your fox's life could be at stake.
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Re: Fox owners in KY, TN, AL, GA?

Postby lovebaileyfox » Fri Apr 10, 2015 6:18 pm

I haven't been on here for a while. Lol I think I'm understanding right, but I just want to make sure. Red foxes are legal to own in TN if you get a permit? And legal without a permit under fur bearing? What if you were just selling trimmings of your foxes fur for fly tying? <- or whatever its called. Lol would that count?
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Re: Fox owners in KY, TN, AL, GA?

Postby TamanduaGirl » Fri Apr 10, 2015 7:53 pm

No they would see through that. It says "solely for their fur" so not as a pet. Maybe if you had a really good lawyer you could do something with that but it's not worth it to get a fox hoping that selling some shed fur will prevent confiscation of your pet even then.

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