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Donnie

Postby pat » Mon May 06, 2019 6:26 pm

I am pretty sure Donnie is dying icon-sad He is 12 this year. as we know their life span is generally 10-12 years icon-sad
I know the signs when a fox or any animal is not going to live long icon-sad

When Daryl died, he went into a carrier and stayed there, I took him out of their room and put him with me.
I stayed with him till he died icon-sad he was only a month shy of being 13.

Darla died at 12.

Donnie is my last fox left icon-sad not sure if I am getting anymore.

However, It is good to have a captive born fox for me, cause I sometimes have a wild fox that tries to kill some of chickens and guineas.
which he did icon-sad this wild fox was so bold, he ran across through the property while gary and a friend were sitting outside :roll:
anyway, what I found out, is if I put my foxes litter (with their poop and pee mixed in) it does keep the wild fox away.
actually, I think I did find the wild foxes den. I put Donnie's litter there.

last year, the wild red fox down front, I used Donnies litter and it did get rid of that fox. however, not sure if this bold fox is the same one or not.
Gary said he was really a big fox.

Anyway, I am upset about Donnie. he is such a beautiful fox. Not sure how long he will hang on.
It is so hard to go through this. there is nothing I can do :cry: gary asked me if I wanted him to shoot Donnie. I said no. Am I being selfish?
I wonder if Donnie is in pain?
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Re: Donnie

Postby GitaBooks » Mon May 06, 2019 7:02 pm

I'm so sorry to hear that. That's always so hard.

He may have reached his time, though old animals sometimes just have off days or off weeks. You could try checking for a "fixable" issue, like maybe its just a stomach ache?

An animal in pain will be tense. You can often tell if they lie very still or stiff, if they breath fast and shallow or sometimes deeper than usual. If there aren't any signs of pain, I would just let him rest for now.
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Postby pat » Mon May 06, 2019 7:46 pm

GitaBooks wrote:I'm so sorry to hear that. That's always so hard.

He may have reached his time, though old animals sometimes just have off days or off weeks. You could try checking for a "fixable" issue, like maybe it's just a stomach ache?

An animal in pain will be tense. You can often tell if they lie very still or stiff if they breath fast and shallow or sometimes deeper than usual. If there aren't any signs of pain, I would just let him rest for now.


yes, he is 12 years old in March.. I pretty much know the signs. I keep checking on him, he is staying in their room.(fox and raccoons have their own room and enclosure) the 2nd check, he was laying in a litter pan. I think when animals do that, they think moving to another spot would take the pain away :shrug: I don't know if it would be more humane to take him to the vet to have him put down. Actually, now that I think back, my vet will make a house call to do that. he did for my last coonhound. she couldn't walk, it was obvious there was nothing can be done. she was about 10 years old.

thank you Gitabooks for your support. I will post any updates.
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Postby GitaBooks » Mon May 06, 2019 7:57 pm

I work for a cat rescue where the vet will come to euthanize animals when its their time. It seems very nice as they can stay in their own environment and it is the least stressful as they don't need to be moved or anything.
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Postby pat » Tue May 07, 2019 3:03 pm

I can't bring myself to have him put down just yet.
Donnie slept in his litter box all day and night yesterday. I just checked on him now and seen he went out in the enclosure. he actually looked a little better, except for his fur being dirty :roll:

the first fox I had (Daryl) lived one month shy of being 13. Maybe I will get a little more time out of Donnie :shrug:
If donnie does get worse, I will call the vet.
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Re: Donnie

Postby TamanduaGirl » Wed May 08, 2019 1:49 am

When they have kidney or/and liver problems they will go up and down like that. There are some things that can be done to extend life by making them more comfortable, like phosphorus binders on the food if it's kidneys and denamarin for liver. The vet would normally prescribe them after a blood test but you can get them without prescription online as well, if you are reluctant to put him through an exam and blood test at his age.
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Postby pat » Wed May 08, 2019 4:58 pm

Mary,

thank you for the great info. I looked it up and kind of got boggled. (having a bad day today)
here is a link, https://www.amazon.com/s?k=phosphorous+ ... ol43ie7j_e

which do you suggest? I can't give him anything in a pill form.

donnie shifts around. now, he is in a large carrier my raccoons sometimes sleeps in.
I think Donnie is in some type of pain. not sure of the degree. as you know, animals will shift spots, guess they think another spot will help them feel better :shrug: he was out in the enclosure earlier. he goes to spots he never did before.

I just have to face the facts, he is not going to with me long icon-sad I was kicking the idea around about getting another fox.
but, can't afford it now. I was going to go to Ohio swap meet. that is sometime next week. there is usually fox kits there.
I already have my hands full with the other animals.
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Postby TamanduaGirl » Wed May 08, 2019 11:10 pm

This one is the Aluminum Hydroxide which is what the vet prescribed before. https://amzn.to/2H9yI7i

It binds to the phosphorus so the kidneys don't have to work as hard.
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Postby pat » Thu May 09, 2019 9:53 am

TamanduaGirl wrote:This one is the Aluminum Hydroxide which is what the vet prescribed before. https://amzn.to/2H9yI7i

It binds to the phosphorus so the kidneys don't have to work as hard.


thank you mary for the info. I will call my vet and see if he has any smaller jars of it. hopefully, my vet will have some in stock there :shrug:
honestly, at his age. I doubt no matter what I do will not expand his life. but, if it keeps him more comfortable, that might help.

however, not sure if it is a kidney issue, or what it would be. he don't always stay in the litter pan.
he moves to different spots.

forgot to mention, donnie is still eating and drinking. not a lot, but, not too bad. he loves his eggs. I always make sure he has water.

thank you much for your suupport.
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Re: Donnie

Postby GitaBooks » Thu May 09, 2019 12:59 pm

Is he still using the bathroom? Some animals go in and out of the litter box when they are stopped up.
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Postby TamanduaGirl » Thu May 09, 2019 5:27 pm

Kidney and liver issues are very common in older foxes and older animals in general so there is fairly high likelihood that it's at least part of his issues but it's not a sure thing without a blood test. If you're going to get the phosphorus binder from the vet then you can ask for some denamarin as well (helps the liver). Neither will hurt him if that's not the problem but can help some if it is what's going on. Liver and kidney issues don't necessarily cause pain but due to toxin build up they can feel punky/ill.
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Postby pat » Fri May 10, 2019 6:37 pm

GitaBooks wrote:Is he still using the bathroom? Some animals go in and out of the litter box when they are stopped up.

I think so. he actually lays in his litter box for a while :roll: Donnie was usually pretty good using the litter box. (especially for a fox)
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Postby pat » Fri May 10, 2019 7:31 pm

TamanduaGirl wrote:Kidney and liver issues are very common in older foxes and older animals in general so there is fairly high likelihood that it's at least part of his issues but it's not a sure thing without a blood test. If you're going to get the phosphorus binder from the vet then you can ask for some denamarin as well (helps the liver). Neither will hurt him if that's not the problem but can help some if it is what's going on. Liver and kidney issues don't necessarily cause pain but due to toxin build up they can feel punky/ill.


Mary,
thank you for info. however, since Donnie turned 12 in March, (as you know a fox's life span is generally 10-12 average.)
guess, it is hard to say what organ might have failed, or something else. could even be cancer :shrug:

actually, today I gave Donnie one of Lucy's prednisone. (Lucy no longer needs them) (I mixed it in a scrambled egg) he did eat it.
Today, he seemed a little better. Maybe the prednisone helped :shrug: He is still eating, but, not a lot. He is drinking water.
All I can do at this point is hope he is not in much pain. it is just a matter of time when Donnie will no longer be with me icon-sad
since the prednisone helped a little, I will give it to him every day. I should have enough. Lucy is on a different med. (for autoimmune disease)

donnie does move to different spots but not frequently. he was in the enclosure for awhile today. he just napped out there.
maybe the prednisone did help :shrug:

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Postby pat » Sat May 11, 2019 9:36 am

I really can't take much more seeing Donnie in this condition. I think he is beyond any type of meds.
Last night he went into the outdoor enclosure. he is just laying there on the ground... I tried giving him another egg with prednisone,
but, he would not eat it. seems he got mad that I did that.

Gary said he will shoot him if I want. but, I don't think I can do that either. (it would be too bloody)
I told Gary I would rather call the vet to put him down. gary seems to think Donnie will get aggressive with the vet.
At this stage, I doubt Donnie will.

I will get a picture of his condition and post it when I get a chance.
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Re: Donnie

Postby pat » Sat May 11, 2019 11:48 am

Donnie just died about half hour ago. :cry:
I knew it was coming, but I am still upset and very sad right now.

I would have rather Donnie died on his own.
I am going to get some clay and do a paw print of him.
(I have lots of paw prints from my other animals hanging on the wall).

Donnie was my last fox. Donnie was 12 in March. which is about their life span.
no matter what it is always hard to lose my animals. :cry:
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