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Paca

Postby TamanduaGirl » Wed Dec 05, 2012 8:48 pm

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LG suggested an Agouti instead of a Mara so I'd not have to worry about an outside enclosure but I've heard they are flighty. Some on my FB feed have Paca and they look cool. I guess some call them agouti paca but they seem different from regular agouti.

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Looks like potty is controllable almost as well as a Mara
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A Mara breeder said the mara don't really chew long as given a proper diet, it wears the teeth down naturally so they don't tend to chew. I've heard of some that do but it does seem not to common not sure on the paca but darn they are adorable. I just assumed they would poop everywhere like guinea pigs. Certainly not jumpy. Mara are still easier to get and cost less though.

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Being held: https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=M1eyDPyvBr4

Those sounds aren't as cute as the mara I met but kind of funny.
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Re: Paca

Postby Lasergrl » Wed Dec 05, 2012 11:27 pm

They have them at Mt Hope sometimes. They are bigger then I thought they would be. They remind me of a small capybara. Never can tell the personality though since they are in a cage.
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Re: Paca

Postby TamanduaGirl » Wed Dec 05, 2012 11:57 pm

Yeah might not be the best way to buy one. Ken's sometimes sells them on the bottle for $1500, so my saying the mara are cheaper, especially since they are kind of common in my state, but I don't really know the average paca price, Ken's tends to be steeper than most but Ken's also sells Mara for $650 which isn't very high and bottle raised paca aren't common.

The Paca in the videos seem pretty guinea pig like but with the benefit of not pooping all over like them, apparently and maybe being friendlier when raised right.

Of course they are all in the cavy family so will share a lot of traits.
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Re: Paca

Postby caninesrock » Thu Dec 06, 2012 3:36 pm

Cute. Kind of reminds of a cross between a deer fawn and a rat. Lol. :lol:
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Re: Paca

Postby TamanduaGirl » Thu Dec 06, 2012 6:50 pm

Yeah the spots are very fawn like which helps them be cute. I love spots and/or splotchy animal coats at least on some animals.

I will probably get the chance to meet some paca and more mara before deciding as I will wait 2-3 years no matter what I get for various reasons. I can see my friend's when I go pick up Ori unless there is some reason that she decides to meet half way again, then we're planning a spring trip so can see hers then instead and maybe meet some others on the trip even.

The only way it would be sooner is if I loose my head when at lolli's and come home with one but unless they have babies I'd rather buy right from a breeder later.
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Re: Paca

Postby sarajeku » Thu Dec 06, 2012 9:11 pm

Oh my gosh those are adorable! :piggy:
Those in the picture: is that as big as they'll get? Or are they babies?

I'll end up running a zoo someday with all these cute animals I see, thinking "I want that!"
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Re: Paca

Postby TamanduaGirl » Thu Dec 06, 2012 11:08 pm

Those are young but they only get about as big as a small dog. Maybe about as big as my Hyzzie dog(21 pounds but tubby)."An adult lowland paca weighs between 6 and 12 kg (13 and 26 lb)"

It's hard to find photos of adults with people where they aren't dead because they are considered good eating and raised or hunted for food in their native lands. And the American pet keepers seem to just post baby photos.

Here are some adults, and yeah they are climbers
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Belize Zoo Night Tour_20091230_paca_051.jpg by B Mlry, on Flickr

This is a good size reference but he looks a bit freaky with his mouth open like that.
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Re: Paca

Postby caninesrock » Fri Dec 07, 2012 6:45 pm

Eating rodents? Well,to,each as own I guess. :shrug:
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Re: Paca

Postby Nicophorus » Mon Dec 10, 2012 11:52 am

Very rat like snouts, those spots are the only thing they have going for them imo!

And yeah people eat rodents all over. The president of Venuzuala claims he loves a meal of capybara
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Re: Paca

Postby Juska » Mon Dec 10, 2012 12:16 pm

People in South America raise Guinea Pigs like livestock and eat them a lot, because they're small and can be kept in apartments.
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Re: Paca

Postby Lasergrl » Mon Dec 10, 2012 1:43 pm

Guinea pigs are raised for food here too. Sometimes for pets and sometimes for humans
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Re: Paca

Postby TamanduaGirl » Mon Dec 10, 2012 2:36 pm

Aw but rats are cute. I understand though. Just different tastes. Lots of people think the pygmy anteaters are adorable but I think they are freaky looking things, lol.

It is encouraged for in some areas of South American to raise rodents like capybaras and paca for food instead of cows so they don't have to clear the jungle, but raising cows makes more money. On the plus side for livestock capy have 2-3 babies at once while the paca tends to just have one so is more of a delicacy, since you put more time into getting less. I'd be willing to try them if offered but don't plan on raising and eating my own.
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Re: Paca

Postby caninesrock » Tue Dec 11, 2012 5:45 pm

I suppose it's not the worst thing people have eaten. In some countries, insects of various kinds are delicacies. Even here, some people eat chocolate covered crickets. I could never eat an insect. Just the thought of it makes me sick to my stomach. I guess I wouldn't be opposed to any kind of mammal meat that was offered to me including rodents as long as I knew it was not from a wild caught diseased rodent and that the meat was well cleaned. I'd probably never personally eat cat or dog because I've owned dogs and known cats,but I have nothing against other cultures where people do eat cats and/or dogs as food sources.
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Re: Paca

Postby Lasergrl » Tue Dec 11, 2012 10:32 pm

The pacas must have cheek pouches because everytime ive seen one its had a much fatter face then those pictured. Like a hamster.
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Re: Paca

Postby TamanduaGirl » Tue Dec 11, 2012 10:53 pm

I looked that up awhile ago for the same reason, some seemed to have them and some not. It's pretty interesting.

Do they have cheek pouches? Kinda do but kinda not. Not in the typical sense. They have cheek bulbous things to their skull. A large skulled animal has larger cheek bulbs and it also increases with age. They are presumed to be used to amplify sounds for communication.

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Having mentioned pneumatic invasion of the zygomatic region, a massively inflated zygoma is present in the Paca Cuniculus paca


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the cheek region of the paca skull has a grotesquely swollen appearance, with both the jugal and maxilla enlarged outwards and downwards and housing two enlarged maxillary chambers (as in, two on each side of the skull). Because the ventral part of the structure is narrow from side to side, the whole ensemble is sometimes called the zygomatic plate. Within the plate, the lingual chamber is connected via an aperture to the oral cavity and so has sometimes been called a ‘cheek pouch’ (Howell 1940). It clearly isn’t homologous to the integumentary structures normally termed cheek pouches in rodents. The external texture of the zygomatic place is often gnarly and roughened and some sources describe the skull as “reptilian” or having an “armour-plated” appearance (e.g., Hanney 1975).


Is it known why pacas have such massive pneumatic chambers in the cheek region?
One suggestion is that the chambers amplify the noise of teeth being ground together. Another is that the animals push air into the lingual chamber and use it to make a ‘rumbling’ noise that’s amplified by the more labial chamber (Hershkovitz 1955). Regardless of exactly what happens, it seems agreed that the chambers serve an acoustic role: like the air pouches and inflatable bony bullae of apes, howler monkeys and some other primates, they seem to amplify noises and therefore serve a sociosexual role.


all quotes from a much longer article on pouches and pockets in rodents http://scienceblogs.com/tetrapodzoology ... s-hyraxes/

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