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Postby Nlucio22 » Tue Dec 11, 2018 7:07 pm

Since they are now saying grain free is tied to heart issues in dogs what are some people's recommendations that won't break the bank. I have feed my big dogs Taste of The Wild dry food forever. The each get dry food mixed with a 3rd of a can of For Health grain free canned food. But after losing my beautiful fox too soon and one of my birds earlier this year to old age, I want to make sure I'm feeding the rest of my bunch the best I can afford.

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Postby GitaBooks » Tue Dec 11, 2018 7:29 pm

It sure can be hard to find the perfect food for our pets.

I do want to clear up some confusion though. It isn't grain-free foods that cause health issues, it is foods that are heavy in potato, lentils, peas and legumes. So meat-based foods are still perfectly fine for our doggies, it is foods with vegetables as a main ingredient that should be avoided.

When we go shopping for our dogs we go for healthy foods but those that are on sale. I know this doesn't work for all dogs, as food changes can cause issues, but what we do is we get two different high-quality foods that are on sale, mix them together, and feed that to them. They've never had a problem with the food change, and in fact it prevents them getting bored with one type or flavor.
We've given them Taste of the Wild (they love that), as well as other healthy, grain-free brands. Most of our dogs are around 12 now, so it seems to be working well icon-smile
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Postby Nlucio22 » Tue Dec 11, 2018 7:43 pm

Thanks for the reply and info.
This is the one I feed, peas are the 4th ingredient and lentils is 5th. In your opinion is this one okay?
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Re: Recommendations

Postby GitaBooks » Wed Dec 12, 2018 12:48 am

I might try asking your vet. If meat makes the first two ingredients, I think it should be okay, but I'm certainly not an expert on animal nutrition. These vegetables are good for dogs in small amounts, but in dog food they are usually just fillers (make more food for cheaper). I hear rice is suppose to be a pretty healthy "filler" in dog foods.
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Postby Nlucio22 » Wed Dec 12, 2018 1:13 am

Okay, thank you
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Postby TamanduaGirl » Fri Dec 14, 2018 3:21 am

Legumes are listed 5 times. Legumes inhibit taurine use which causes the heart problems. So I'd say it would be better not to use use that food. I use nature's instinct Ultimate Protein but it is one of the pricier foods. Most brands do use legumes to up their protein content cheaply.

I found a list of legume free foods but it's short: https://breedsy.com/dog-food-without-pe ... -potatoes/
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Postby Nlucio22 » Tue Dec 18, 2018 4:02 pm

Thank you hun
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Postby pat » Wed Dec 19, 2018 8:27 am

I personally don't trust any dog food. I don't feed mine dog food.
for my raccoons and fox, I will give them a little 4-health or Purina. as far as I know, Purina has never been recalled.
it is has, I was not aware of it.

my dogs get cooked chicken. sweet potatoes, pumpkin.
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Postby Juska » Thu Dec 27, 2018 9:49 am

I've been feeding our two senior dogs Taste of The Wild dry for years now. It might be a good idea to take your pets to the vet and give them a checkup, if you are concerned. Taurine isn't something dogs need to have supplemented in their food like cats and ferrets. They make it in their bodies like people do. But if legumes really are the culprit, perhaps we could try adding extra taurine to the food or as a separate supplement to counteract it?

The website TG listed says the following:
We won’t really know if there is a link between grain free dog foods and DCM, or what the link might be, until researchers make more announcements. However, they have been advising dog owners to move away from feeding dog foods that contain high amounts of the suspect ingredients. They recommend feeding dog foods that have more nutritional research to back up their formulas and rigorous quality control.
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Postby pat » Thu Dec 27, 2018 10:09 am

here is a link with all or most dog foods that show the ingredients:
https://www.dogfoodadvisor.com/dog-food-recalls/

there is also a link is under "information"
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Re: Recommendations

Postby TamanduaGirl » Fri Dec 28, 2018 4:43 am

This article has better info and written better https://www.onlynaturalpet.com/holistic ... -dogs.aspx


The some of the actual studies linking ingredients and low taurine.
https://avmajournals.avma.org/doi/abs/1 ... 3.223.1130
https://onlinelibrary.wiley.com/doi/abs ... 03.00446.x
https://avmajournals.avma.org/doi/abs/1 ... 3.223.1137
https://onlinelibrary.wiley.com/doi/abs ... 03.00433.x
It's a lack of bioavalability of the sulfurs the dogs body uses to make taurine, and some ingredients causing the dog's body to pee out the taurine instead of use it. Could only find these studies which focus on lamb and rice. The ones involving legumes must be newer so not online yet the article also links to several studies though.

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