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New Guinea Singing Dogs--exotic?

Canines not listed on other forums: African Wild Dogs, Coyotes, Dingoes, Jackals, New Guinea Singing Dogs, Raccoon DOGS, ETC..

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New Guinea Singing Dogs--exotic?

Postby Ash » Mon Mar 11, 2013 1:49 pm

Are New Guinea Singing dogs considered "exotic" like a wolf, or "exotic" like a sphynx cat? Would normal dog laws apply to them or would exotic laws?
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Re: New Guinea Singing Dogs--exotic?

Postby TamanduaGirl » Mon Mar 11, 2013 10:51 pm

If the law specifies domestic dogs are allowed but not other wild canines then they would not be allowed but if it specifies by species and aren't listed as banned then you could have them. They are not considered the same as domestic dog at this point and would be the same as having a pure wolf or dingo.

Canis lupus dingo vs canis lupus familiarus.

They are considered a variant of dingo.
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Re: New Guinea Singing Dogs--exotic?

Postby Ash » Tue Mar 12, 2013 1:43 pm

Okay, thanks. I'll have to look into that.
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Re: New Guinea Singing Dogs--exotic?

Postby Ash » Tue Mar 12, 2013 9:36 pm

*here's something cool I found*

I found this information on New Guinea Singing Dogs on San Diego Zoo's website:
Recently, they [New Guinea Singing Dogs] have been reclassified yet again and given the taxonomic name of Canis lupus familiaris hallstromi.

http://www.sandiegozoo.org/animalbytes/t-singing_dog.html

So New Guinea Singing dogs are now considered a subspecies of the domestic dog, if I'm looking at this right. So just another breed, and therefore they would be legal anywhere domestic dogs are legal.
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Re: New Guinea Singing Dogs--exotic?

Postby TamanduaGirl » Tue Mar 12, 2013 9:52 pm

Actually familiaris is the subspecies. Hallstromi is just a variant. It does confuse things as far as laws go when scientists keep changing things.

They are going by the idea that dingos are canis lupus familiarus dingo but places do ban dingos and some laws just ban wild canines or animals that normally live wild and things like that and just allow domestic dogs. Then the argument is just because a dingo is the same subspecies as a domestic dog doesn't necessarily make it a domestic dog. It should be allowed in a case where the laws allows dog by canis lupus familiarus instead of saying domestic dog but it's still a bit iffy as how do you prove which classification is right.
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Re: New Guinea Singing Dogs--exotic?

Postby Ash » Tue Mar 12, 2013 10:14 pm

Okay. So here's Utah's law.

It says that these are legal:
Dog, domestic including hybrids between wild and domestic species and subspecies (Canis familiaris);


So since it says "canis familiaris" that would mean that they are allowed in Utah, right?
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Re: New Guinea Singing Dogs--exotic?

Postby TamanduaGirl » Tue Mar 12, 2013 10:32 pm

In that case probably not as they are using Canis familiaris instead of canis lupus familiarus therefor according to their law any canis lupus aren't counted in that.
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Re: New Guinea Singing Dogs--exotic?

Postby Ash » Wed Mar 13, 2013 3:29 pm

That's a shame then. :/ That would have been neat if they were legal.
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Re: New Guinea Singing Dogs--exotic?

Postby Cindy23323 » Wed Mar 13, 2013 4:28 pm

They need to revise that beings dogs were changed from being Canis familiarus to Canis lupus familiarus back in 1993
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Re: New Guinea Singing Dogs--exotic?

Postby Ash » Wed Mar 13, 2013 5:12 pm

Okay, so the domestic dog is canis lupus familiarus?

But Utah is still calling it "canis familiarus," and therefore NGSDs aren't legal due to Utah's outdated name?
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Re: New Guinea Singing Dogs--exotic?

Postby Cindy23323 » Wed Mar 13, 2013 7:19 pm

Yes domestic dogs are now classified as canis lupus familiarus a subspecies of wolf. Yep its outdated by 20 years, lol. That or they didn' bother to put the correct name to begin with.

Thats why you see a lot of wolfdog people preaching they're not hybrids.
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Re: New Guinea Singing Dogs--exotic?

Postby Ash » Thu Mar 14, 2013 3:26 am

Cindy, do you have a legit source for that change of the taxonomic name for the dog? I'd like to talk with the DNR and inform them of this and see if they will change the name to the correct name.

Thanks. I'll look for "legit sources" in the meantime.
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Re: New Guinea Singing Dogs--exotic?

Postby Cindy23323 » Thu Mar 14, 2013 4:57 am

Ugg, sorry no, I used to have them saved on my last computer but when it died I lost a ton of things.

All i know right now is it was done in 1993 and it was changed by the Smithsonian Institute.
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Re: New Guinea Singing Dogs--exotic?

Postby Nìmwey » Thu Mar 14, 2013 6:28 am

*Cough*Canis lupus familiarIs*Cough* ;)
My main interest is in parrots, dogs, toothed whales and snakes.
Future animals I want to have when we have land are camels, wolfdogs/wolves, coyotes or jackals, striped hyena or aardwolf. Also poultry, rabbits water buffalo and/or yak for livestock.
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Re: New Guinea Singing Dogs--exotic?

Postby Cindy23323 » Thu Mar 14, 2013 6:45 pm

Yea yea, we having spelling problems, lol

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