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Racoon Dogs

Canines not listed on other forums: African Wild Dogs, Coyotes, Dingoes, Jackals, New Guinea Singing Dogs, Raccoon DOGS, ETC..

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Re: Racoon Dogs

Postby Talys » Thu Mar 15, 2012 8:38 pm

Finally read through all of this, and if anyone is still on-board to work to change the federal laws, I'd be VERY much obliged to help in anyway I can, because I really want to work up to breeding them after moving to Florida, which is now very much turning into a dream.
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Re: Racoon Dogs

Postby Ash » Thu Mar 15, 2012 9:12 pm

I really think it would be best to first try to get exceptions for neutered/spayed animals. The current federal permit that allows a facility to keep invasive species is hard enough! I just looked at it the other day and I couldn't believe how hard it was to get. It's way harder than keeping a native bird, and that's saying a lot.

If any changes are going to be made, I really think it should be the exception of fixed animals at this point.

But if you want to get something together I will be more than willing to help out.
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Re: Racoon Dogs

Postby Talys » Thu Mar 15, 2012 10:10 pm

Yeah, I guess that would make sense, making it the lowest level of risk for the invasiveness to come in and much easier to keep track of. I guess my first question is: where to start? Do I pull in other countries' regulations as examples? I'm honestly very, very new to this so the possibility of getting something together is still a little hard for me to grasp.
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Re: Racoon Dogs

Postby Ash » Fri Mar 16, 2012 2:26 pm

Well you can keep them as pets in the UK, and they haven't been invasive there.
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Re: Racoon Dogs

Postby Talys » Fri Mar 16, 2012 2:43 pm

Alright, so the UK is another one, alongside I believe Germany and Denmark (although in my opinion, Britain manages their animals overall better than the US does). I found these links just on basic care, ownership in general:
http://www.aap.nl/english/what-aap-does ... n-dog.html
http://retrieverman.wordpress.com/2009/ ... ccoon-dog/
http://www.wildlife.uni-freiburg.de/res ... /Project10
http://www.buzzle.com/articles/raccoon-dog-facts.html
my personal favorite:
http://www.wasbeerhonden.nl/Pets.html
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Re: Racoon Dogs

Postby Elina » Wed Mar 28, 2012 10:33 pm

Here in the UK we have a problem that we don't really have any rules as long as the animal is not considered DWAL (a dangerous wild animal) for which you need a license and so there is a forest in the UK with loads of skunks where people have dumped their pets and raccoons are on the rise and they like skunks are non native.

Using the UK as an example is not exactly a good idea as we are actually very possibly no longer going to be able to import any exotic mammals due (among other things) to the above.
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Re: Racoon Dogs

Postby Taigafox » Mon May 21, 2012 4:39 am

Hi, I have a question.
What do you do with your raccoon dogs in the winter?
They spend the winter sleeping?
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Re: Racoon Dogs

Postby Elina » Mon May 21, 2012 5:16 pm

Yes raccoon dogs hibernate in the winter, they are the only canid to do so.

In captivity you can stop them from hibernating apparently but they have to hibernate if you wish to breed them.

When they hibernate I am told they do not sleep all the time, just more then normal and you still have to have food out for them just long life stuff like kibble and dried fruit as they will keep odd hours. I am gong to look into it more though as my Dad is hopefully, if nothing goes wrong this year, getting a raccoon dog icon_biggin.gif .
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Re: Racoon Dogs

Postby Talys » Sat May 26, 2012 10:54 pm

O.O LUCKY! I would love...erm...heh updates on that! =D Only in my dreams could I probably seriously consider getting one, but it's a consideration all the same! But in all honesty, I envy your family! so lucky! Once again I wish you good luck!
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Re: Racoon Dogs

Postby Elina » Thu May 31, 2012 6:54 pm

So I asked the breeder is getting his from about the hibernating thing and it seems that the person who told us they have to hibernate to have pups was wrong:

As for hibernation they do not hibernate in this country, it does not get anywhere near cold enough for them to hibernate. Ours are kept in a brick outbuilding with a large run ( no heating ) and were active all winter.

And as I got that info from the breeder you will gather that the lack of hibernation did not stop them having pups.

And my Dad read some interesting info on them:

Other then testing the DNA of the raccoon dogs the only way to tell if they are Finnish or Japanese is to check their weight/length.

Finnish raccoon dog:
Weight 5.0kg (3.1- 7.3kg n=36) in early summer (May-June) and 8.1 (3.9- 12.4kg, n=64) in October when heaviest.
The mean head and body length of an adult raccoon dog in Finland is 59.8cm (51.5- 70.5cm n=760).

Japanese raccoon dog:
Weight 4.5kg (2.5- 6.25kn n=64) peaking at a mean of 5.0kg in February and falling to 3.95kg in May.
The mean head and body length of a raccoon dog in Japan is 56.7cm (n=43).

The Finnish ones have 54 chromosomes and the Japanese ones have 38 which in theory should make it so the two types are really more two different species! I found that to be really interesting. :icon-wink:
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Re: Racoon Dogs

Postby Elina » Tue Jun 05, 2012 5:27 am

So my Dad has just come back from mainland Europe where he got to meet some raccoon dogs at a zoo. My mother booked an encounter for him which the zoo thought was amusing as no one ever normally want's to see the raccoon dogs up close.

He learnt so much about them and really enjoyed himself however he had a rather bad allergic reaction to them.

It is so horrid as my Dad has wanted some for so very long and just as it gets to the point where he was about to get them he has this major set back and now he can't get them.

I feel so bad for my Dad. He said if it were a minor reaction he would just deal with it but it's not and he actually could not breathe properly due to it. . .
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Racoon Dogs

Postby blacksagephoenix » Tue Jun 05, 2012 10:38 am

Aww that is so sad!! And there isn't any type of medication that he could take to help? I know I usually just take benadryl around new animals for a few weeks, then kind of wean off it. Usually that makes my allergic reaction to that animal go away, even after stopping the Benadryl. Aren't you a doctor of some sort? I could be wrong. lol

But that really is sad.
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Re: Racoon Dogs

Postby Elina » Tue Jun 05, 2012 8:14 pm

Yes I am a Doctor (I work in A&E or what you guys call ER) but there are some allergies that are harder to combat then others. My Dad was already taking antihistamines for hay fever (both nose spray and tablets) and yet he still had the reaction.

He could have hyposensitisation/immunotherapy but it does not take effect quickly. You need to get shots every week for quite a while and then you need to have shots every 2 weeks for about 2 years.

Basically if what he is already taking did not block the action of the histamine the above is his only option and it is not as easy as 'here is a jab to make you no longer be allergic to raccoon dogs', there are various tests that have to be run first and by the time he could actually spend any time with the raccoon dogs he was going to get they would be well past bonding age.
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Re: Racoon Dogs

Postby kermisracer » Mon Jul 09, 2012 6:50 pm

Got a neat portrait of a raccoon dog at the Wisentgehege in Springe today. This zoo specializes in native species like European bison and red deer - though raccoon dogs aren't native to Europe, of course. The German popular name Marderhund is just as misleading as raccoon dog, by the way: they most resemble a slow, fat fox.

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Re: Racoon Dogs

Postby Talys » Mon Jul 09, 2012 9:25 pm

Look at those eyes; they really pull you in!
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