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UGH - Smooshed faced chihuahuas

Postby TamanduaGirl » Wed Aug 09, 2017 7:03 pm

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No chihuahuas are not meant to be smoosh faced. Stop it.

May as well be a French Bulldog :(
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Re: UGH - Smooshed faced chihuahuas

Postby Ana » Thu Aug 10, 2017 2:22 am

Don't these people understand that these smushed faces are creating breathing conditions?
Good grief.
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Re: UGH - Smooshed faced chihuahuas

Postby TamanduaGirl » Thu Aug 10, 2017 2:51 am

Yeah and chihuahuas can have problems already even without the smooshed faces. They are prone to "reverse sneezing" because their soft pallets are too long. Beaker's is shorter than I'm used to already and he gets hot really easy for a white dog.

I've seen the trend in chihuahuas to have shorter noses over the years and don't like it. I'm a fan of the traditional deer type chihuahua but even for an apple head this is overly extreme. That doesn't even look like a chihuahua any more.
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Re: UGH - Smooshed faced chihuahuas

Postby Ana » Thu Aug 10, 2017 4:20 am

All of this 'designer dog' nonsense is grotesque and decadent to me, particularly when we're killing
literally millions every year for simple lack of a home. :/
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Re: UGH - Smooshed faced chihuahuas

Postby Nìmwey » Thu Aug 10, 2017 8:59 am

Almost all small dogs, save for some terriers and the Italian greyhound, are brachycephalic. We commonly think of pugs, pekes and French bulldogs as brachycephalic, but pomeranians and chihuahuas are, as well.

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^ These dogs are all brachycephalic (the chihuahua, severely so).
These paintings below show small dogs with real, long faces. We think because they are small, they naturally get larger brains and smaller muzzles, and that's true only to an extent. These apple-faces (or human baby faces) above, are bred for purposely.

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Re: UGH - Smooshed faced chihuahuas

Postby Peacefulward » Thu Aug 10, 2017 9:31 am

My chihuahua Sugar has a somewhat smushed face and she reverse sneezes a lot. Guess we got her from a bad breeder, I was too young so don't really remember.

I like the applehead chihuahuas but not the smushed faces. Can appleheads safely be bred without any of these severe health problems, or are appleheads simply unhealthy?
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Re: UGH - Smooshed faced chihuahuas

Postby TamanduaGirl » Thu Aug 10, 2017 2:46 pm

The original chihuahua was the deer type chihuahua with a longer nose, think taco bell chihuahua. They came from hot areas where they had to keep cool so had longer muzzles and bigger ears. Applehead has been around a long time too but it's being taken to extremes. They shouldn't be smoosh faced but yeah the appleheads have always had shorter noses but they should still be there.

They all reverse sneeze but ones with longer muzzles are going to be able to cool themselves better and the reverse sneeze not be as extreme. I think appleheads can be healthy and it's the actual AKC standard, just not when the muzzle is really smooshed. I think they went for the rounded head to help distinguish them from terriers.

This is more how appleheads should be not smooshed
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But deer type will always be my favorite
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Oh my but they cropped his ears
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Non-extreme apples
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Re: UGH - Smooshed faced chihuahuas

Postby Peacefulward » Sat Aug 12, 2017 5:13 pm

I like the non-extreme applehead. I wonder if the non-extremes have any health issues.

I'm assuming deerheads are a lot healthier. Too bad the AKC doesn't allow them... I wish the AKC would opt for health > appearance.
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Re: UGH - Smooshed faced chihuahuas

Postby TamanduaGirl » Sat Aug 12, 2017 8:02 pm

Yeah they allow long and short coat so why not deer and apple but maybe as separate breeds, like they have large and small poodle breeds. So they could have two chihuahua breeds. The deer type used to be most prolific and popular before the AKC standard went apple head.

The old AKC book I have in the standard does call for apple domed head but moderately short muzzle. Seems to me many breeders and even show judges just kept going for short as can be instead.
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Re: UGH - Smooshed faced chihuahuas

Postby Ash » Sat Aug 12, 2017 9:00 pm

Maybe I'm the odd one out here, but I personally don't mind the brachycephalic breeds... I feel like if they were their own "species" you would just take care of them according to their needs. In other words, don't let them outside on a hot day, don't work them too much. I think the problem is, is that people try to treat all dog breeds the same. Little lap dogs aren't meant for hard work so also don't have a need for strenuous activity. They're also INDOOR dogs and should not be outside for extended periods of time. I don't think an animal with specific needs is necessarily an unhealthy animal.

Of course, we know there are breeders who are pushing the short snout thing to the extreme, and I do think those are a problem because then even in good indoor conditions the animal suffers with breathing problems.
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