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Caucasian Shepherd/Caucasian Ovcharka

Postby Elina » Tue Jan 17, 2012 9:14 pm

So a few days ago my partner, my Dad and I were watching a show about Russia's prisons and we saw the most beautiful dogs; Caucasian Shepherd's.

After the show we were talking about these dogs far more then about the Russian prison system and so we had a look on the net to see if the prison guard was very short or if the dogs were indeed as big as they looked.

We started our search looking on the Kennel club website but alas they were not on there as far as I could see, are they a registered breed?

I then looked to see if they had other names which they seem but the most common names seem to be "Caucasian shepherd" or "Caucasian Ovcharka". I found out quite a bit about them but I could not see if anyone has one in this country. Does anyone on here have one?

My Dad is very interested in meeting one as he is very fond of big dogs, not as a status thing (I don't think Irish wolf hounds are very foreboding hehe), he has just always had big dogs and he loves them.

We read http://www.flockguard.org/cmd/cmdowner.htm and it seems to point out all the negatives yet my Dad still likes the sound of them. . . I must admit I am quite fond of them too now I have read so much.

My main questions are:
Does anyone on here have one?
Why would you not recommend one if you have one or have met one?
Why would you recommend one if you have one or have met one?
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Re: Caucasian Shepherd/Caucasian Ovcharka

Postby Ash » Tue Jan 17, 2012 9:18 pm

I just learned about those recently too. Rexano got one that was being trained to interact with the tigers; they would also be used as guard dogs to protect the tigers. I was shocked at how huge they were!
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Re: Caucasian Shepherd/Caucasian Ovcharka

Postby Elina » Tue Jan 17, 2012 9:45 pm

I saw their videos of theirs as a puppy, so cute!
Apparently their prey drive (towards animals that is) is not very high and you can have them guarding poultry of all things!
I think if taught from an early age that the foxes are family members they may even accept them but if we DO get one my Dad will get one first so we can see.
I was thinking where you said REXANO's one is to guard the tigers maybe one could guard Sapphire's outside enclosure in my new house? Might work out. I don't want people trying to set her free.
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Re: Caucasian Shepherd/Caucasian Ovcharka

Postby Elina » Tue Jan 17, 2012 11:50 pm

I saw those videos but they are mostly "fuzzy bear" who is a mixed breed, I think their Caucasian Shepherd/Ovcharka is still a puppy.

I think the best video I have found thus far was a Nat Geo one on youtube: http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=EujeBI2edis

They look HUGE!
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Re: Caucasian Shepherd/Caucasian Ovcharka

Postby Juska » Tue Jan 17, 2012 11:58 pm

I've heard a lot about Ovcharkas being used in dog fights, or that they're trained to be vicious guard dogs. But of course, a breed should not be to blame for human training. That's just most of what I've heard about them, never really researched them that much as they're not very common around the US.

They are quite large and look very regal in my opinion. I wouldn't want to deal with all that hair, though :roll:

From Wikipedia (this article is disputed to not be completely neutral, so this may come off sounding more negative):

"Temperament-
Caucasian Shepherds are typically assertive, brave, alert, strong, hardy and courageous to a fault. They are truly second to none in their bellicosity towards strangers. Unless properly socialized, they may exhibit unmanageable tendencies. They seldom have time for strangers (but will greet family friends warmly) and have extremely powerful guarding instincts. Everything and everyone who belongs to the family, including other dogs will be regarded by this dog as part of its family and as such will fall under its guardianship. Owing to their size and nature these dogs should not be left alone with children. Aggression toward unknown dogs should be expected unless the animal has been extensively socialized at an early age and even then some unwanted behaviors may occur."
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Re: Caucasian Shepherd/Caucasian Ovcharka

Postby TamanduaGirl » Wed Jan 18, 2012 12:08 am

I guess it's a different one but she got it end of last April.
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Re: Caucasian Shepherd/Caucasian Ovcharka

Postby Lasergrl » Wed Jan 18, 2012 12:12 pm

They need to be HEAVILY socialised. They need to be owned only by someone with a VERY firm hand. They can and will take a mile when given an inch. They wont hesitate to take someone down that tresspasses. I dont think they are a good fit for someone that doesnt want a serious guard dog, or livestock guardian. Most have to be tranqued for vet visits or knocked completely out. They dont tolerate a stranger doing anything to them.
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Re: Caucasian Shepherd/Caucasian Ovcharka

Postby ruscithil » Thu Feb 02, 2012 8:33 am

I first found them on the homepage of our local shelter. They end up losing their homes very often because obviously some owners don't use their common sense before buying a puppy of this breed.

I recently read an article of one of them whose owner died in a riding accident and the dog was locked up in her car. The dog was finally put down because nobody was able to get her out of that car.

They are very protective and can be difficult to handle, so owning one in narrow Middle or Western Europe has to be well planned in oder to prevent such tragic disaster...
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Re: Caucasian Shepherd/Caucasian Ovcharka

Postby Elina » Sat Feb 04, 2012 12:22 am

Thanks for the info guys.

My Dad still want's one, I think I might too but not until I am in the US. I don't imagine getting an adult one on a plane being very easy hehe.
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Re: Caucasian Shepherd/Caucasian Ovcharka

Postby disgruntled » Tue Apr 03, 2012 3:27 pm

Didn't like the look of that video, we have a mally cos they are huge but harmless, plus they don't bark - which would drive me mental. They remind me of leonbergers to look at, which are a lovely huge breed which is not aggressive. Why not suggest that to your dad? Those things look like a lot of work and if they bit someone you could be in for a lot of trouble - they won't differentiate between a burglar and a harmless passer by - or a child.
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Re: Caucasian Shepherd/Caucasian Ovcharka

Postby Ciaobella » Tue Apr 03, 2012 8:00 pm

Someone on another forum I am apart of owns one, she could answer your questions, I'll direct her here ;)
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Re: Caucasian Shepherd/Caucasian Ovcharka

Postby Newt » Tue Apr 03, 2012 8:35 pm

I own a Central Asian Ovcharka. He's about 14 months old.
I too started off loving COs but was having issues finding a breeder. You have to be so careful as there are breeders that breed huge, hairy, dysplastic, aggressive COs.
This is why I went with a CAO. Found a breeder who health tests, showing, works and breeds stable dogs.
I have since found some great CO breeders.
You must -
Be a firm owner but never mean or harsh. They must trust and work with you.
Socialize, socialize, socialize! These dogs can get to 200pds and are very guardy with strange humans or animals.
Have a 6ft sturdy fence.
Never let them off leash. Unless you spend everyday working on recall and leave it, then maybe you could have them off leash in a quite area with no people or animals.
They may only accept the people you live with, so if you have a lot of people over this probably isn't the breed for you.
These dogs are not for everyone. They are huge, powerful true guardian dogs.
Be prepared to work daily with this breed.
If you have any specific questions, I'll be more then happy to answer.
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Re: Caucasian Shepherd/Caucasian Ovcharka

Postby caninesrock » Tue Apr 03, 2012 8:35 pm

I've never owned them,but I've found this really helpful site on them:
http://www.koinfo.org/English.htm

It also links to a forum on the site that's all about the dog and people who own them who can chat about the dog so you could ask them(It doesn't appear to be too active though:
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Re: Caucasian Shepherd/Caucasian Ovcharka

Postby Newt » Tue Apr 03, 2012 8:58 pm

Also be prepared for nighttime barking, lol.
And to clarify you may never be able to have your CO off leash.
I can't stress enough to research your breeders, there are more bad then good.
Have you ever owned a guardian dog?
What breeds have you owned/ worked with?
Are there reasons behind wanting a LSG?

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