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question on cat cancer...............

Postby pat » Sun May 11, 2014 1:05 pm

my sister has an 8 years old male cat.

the cat got a lump above his one eye. it started getting big within a week.
the cat also has asma and diabetis, according to her vet. which now the cat is being treated for that.

my sister recently took her cat the vet for the lump. the vet never aspirated it. just felt it,
and said, the cat probably has cancer. they suggested taking the cat to a specialist. (cost 3000.00) :shock:

the lump got pretty big within a week.

the cat is in distress. however, he is eating good..
he did lose about 4lbs within about 2 or 3 weeks.

my question is, what are other options to find out if her cat does have cancer?
or thoughts on what else it would be?

I thought it could be an abscess, but, again, her vet never tested for it.

any thoughts on this would be appreciated..
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Re: question on cat cancer...............

Postby TamanduaGirl » Sun May 11, 2014 1:48 pm

If it's hard it could be bone cancer not too common in cats though. Lymphoma is very common because of exposure to flv. There's really nothing that will help cure it that the vet can do but they can give palliative care though that may be complicated some by the diabetes. They obviously did blood tests sometimes the levels can help indicate cancer which may be what he is going by.
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Postby pat » Sun May 11, 2014 3:31 pm

mary,

appreciate your reply.

the vet did do blood work, but, did not conclude anything about cancer in the blood work.
only that he has diabetes.
the fact nothing was mentioned about cancer in the blood work is confusing to me.
not sure what all type of cancer can be detected thru blood work.

I sent my sister a picture of sammy's face when he had the abscess, she said, sammy's lump looks like
her cat's.... but, it is hard to tell on picture comparison.

I suggested she take her cat to my vet. he is pretty good and up front with everything.
never hurts to get a second opinion.

my sisters vet acted as though, she didn't really want to be bothered with looking further :roll:

I will pass this info to my sister...
again, thank you much for responding...
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Postby TamanduaGirl » Sun May 11, 2014 4:52 pm

The vet may well think there is no reason to bother. If it's cancer the best thing to do is make him as comfortable as possible till the end but it's sad since he's young. When Kat got an abdominal tumor we removed it. I didn't choose to test it because I didn't feel I'd do anything different whether cancer or benign. It bought her about 6 months till it came back near/on her liver and we just made her comfortable till the end.

I agree though with it being the face/head it'd be good to check as if it's not cancer then there might be something that could be done.
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Postby Lasergrl » Sun May 11, 2014 10:30 pm

Lumps near the eye are usually cancer or abscess.

The cat having diabetes makes abscess a good possibility. They have lower immune systems.

Cancer on bloodwork can show up as a high calcium level, but not always.
Abscess can show up as high white cells, but not always.
Ascesses can cause a high temperature....but not always.

The only thing you can do, is give it antibiotics and see, or go to specialist for ultrasound or mri.
If I was the owner, I would try antibiotics, and if it didn't work would assume cancer.
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Postby pat » Mon May 12, 2014 4:43 pm

TamanduaGirl wrote:The vet may well think there is no reason to bother. If it's cancer the best thing to do is make him as comfortable as possible till the end but it's sad since he's young. When Kat got an abdominal tumor we removed it. I didn't choose to test it because I didn't feel I'd do anything different whether cancer or benign. It bought her about 6 months till it came back near/on her liver and we just made her comfortable till the end.

I agree though with it being the face/head it'd be good to check as if it's not cancer then there might be something that could be done.


how horrible it is to see our loved ones go thru this icon-sad
since kat's tumor was removed, apparently, it was cancer.. but, I guess, there would have been nothing
that could have been done even having it removed.. icon-sad

my sister is taking her cat back to her vet tomorrow. supposedly, they are suppose to aspirate then.
at least by doing that, I would think it would show if it is an abscess or not :shrug:
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Re: question on cat cancer...............

Postby pat » Mon May 12, 2014 4:50 pm

Lasergrl wrote:Lumps near the eye are usually cancer or abscess.

The cat having diabetes makes abscess a good possibility. They have lower immune systems.

Cancer on bloodwork can show up as a high calcium level, but not always.
Abscess can show up as high white cells, but not always.
Ascesses can cause a high temperature....but not always.

The only thing you can do, is give it antibiotics and see, or go to specialist for ultrasound or mri.
If I was the owner, I would try antibiotics, and if it didn't work would assume cancer.


they are hoping it is an abscess.

I got one page of the cats bloodwork (attached). I have no idea what any of it means.
not sure if there should be more pages. I know with larry, there was a couple pages :shrug:
for what my sisters vet charged her, she should have got a book of papers :lol:


as I told mary, they are going to asperate it tomorrow morning.
with hope, it will show as something other than cancer.

another question, assuming it is an abscess, do they all in time break?

thank you so very much for the info you provided..
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Postby TamanduaGirl » Mon May 12, 2014 7:44 pm

Her white blood cells and antibodies are up so it could be in infection.

When Hyzzie had her kidney infection, we had to see the (not so good doctor, who no longer works there) he thought Hyzzie had cancer from the results, She had the white cells up and kidney and liver levels up and don't remember what all but it was a mess but I chose to treat for infection so she was in on IV antibiotics and antinausia med and she recovered great. So not sure if elevated white cells can sometimes mean cancer or what he was thinking. He just said when the results are that bad it usually is but then he wasn't that good a vet. Hopefully it's just an infection, to me with the white cells up it indicates it probably is.

Sometimes they could heal without breaking but they usually do break. Especially when big like that.
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Postby pat » Mon May 12, 2014 9:00 pm

mary,

thank you for your info.
I am sure there are some vets that not as good or don't really go too far in depth to find the problem.

my sisters cat was given antibotics. my sister would put it in the cats food. the cat eats can food with gravy.
but, he has to have it seperate.. so, my sister put some in the gravy and some in the food. he ate it all.

personally, I don't understand why the vet didn't give her cat an antibotic injection. thats what my vet does.
it lasts for 10 days.. sure beats fighting with the cat everyday to make sure he gets all of it..

I hope this vet gives my sister some good news tomorrow...
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Postby TamanduaGirl » Mon May 12, 2014 9:06 pm

If Jake ever needs antibiotics I'll ask for the shot. He is a devil to give a pill too. So much so I'm going to just have the vet give him his worm pill at his check ups from now on.
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Postby Lasergrl » Tue May 13, 2014 11:01 pm

Convenia is the injection. Its so awesome. It is silly they didn't use it but it does cost more so they may just assume to use drops instead. Or they could be old school and not try new things.
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Postby pat » Wed May 14, 2014 7:38 am

my sister has decided to take her cat to my vet. she talked with them yesterday, and was happy with what they have to offer. it is a longer drive for her, but, it will be worth it, I hope. she lives in the city and one would think vets there would be more up to date than in rural areas :shrug:

her vet visits was 100.00 for exam :shock:
cost her 850.00 last time she was there, only to tell her to bring the cat home and let it die :roll:

I think the antibotic shots cost me about 20.00. to me, it was well worth it.
they have them for dogs, but, are a lot more money. (I think about 80.00 - 100.00)
maybe it goes by the size of the dog :shrug:

apppreciate the info...

off topic: lasergrl, are you going to mt hope this weekend?
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Re: question on cat cancer...............

Postby DaniJo21 » Thu May 15, 2014 3:44 am

Can you post a picture of the lump? The most common facial tumor in cats is squamous cell carcinoma. I have seen quite a few just above the eyelid. Does your sisters cat have a light colored face? It is likely not that her vet doesn't care, but there are some things you just "know" what they are. I would have aspirated the mass, but we each practice medicine differently. She should be prepared to have it aspirated at her next vet visit for a definitive diagnosis.

Regarding her bloodwork, to be honest, most cancers, unless in an advanced stage, do not have any changes in bloodwork.
With abscesses and bacterial infections, you usually see an increase in neutrophils (neu) on the bloodwork.

Her eosinophils (eos) are the only white blood cells that are significantly elevated. Eosinophils are responsible for dealing with autoimmune issues, infections, allergies, asthma, and parasites. You don't get elevated eosinophils in conjunction with an abscess.

There is a condition that cats get, called eosinophilic granuloma complex, that you can see elevated eosinophils with. Cats form hard plagues and ulcers (they look like scabs) with this disease, not lumps.

I hope this helps answer some of your questions.
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Postby pat » Sun May 18, 2014 10:52 am

DaniJo21

thank you so very much for your information. it is very informative. although some of it was a bit over my head.
your info will help others with any future problems.

I know it is extremely difficult to say what is really wrong without seeing the animal...

I have a good update:
my sister took her cat to my vet. (whom I 100% trust)

the outcome is, her cat does not have cancer. we were correct, it was an abscess. the vet drained it.
now the lump is completely gone.

on the diabetes, my vet told her he was not given enough insulin. so he increased the dosage and said there is a good chance, the cat might not need to take insulin shots long term. also, a shot of the 10 day antibotics.

as for the sudden weight loss, it was because he didn't have enough insulin.

they use to feed the cat "not so good diet" temtation treats, and kitten food" he is spoiled, but, we know that is not a good diet. she recently changed his diets, so, hopefully, he will make a good come back.

what gets me, is her vet charged her over 850.00 just to send the cat home to die. unless they wanted to take the cat to an specialist for over 3000.00, which would not guarantee any improvement.

now, this time my sister was actually crying for joy, and not for sadness.

the cost of of her vet bill at my vet, was less than 200.00.

I told my sister to sue them for her money back. but, I don't see that happening icon-sad

I would like to thank everyone here that replied. everyone has been very supportive, my sister and I both appreciate that.
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Re: question on cat cancer...............

Postby DaniJo21 » Wed May 21, 2014 1:07 am

That is wonderful news! Cats love to form abscesses, that is why I always "poke it with a needle" before I call ANYTHING cancer. I'm a little surprised they didn't do that first, but please don't sue, every time someone sues we have to raise our prices more because most pets don't have insurance...and I'm sure the clients will appreciate vets NOT having to do that in the long run :) Some vets are more "by the book" - you have to do blood work, x-rays, urinalysis, etc before they will think about "poking" the mass...me, if you don't have money, I skip the other stuff and get down to business. It isn't a matter of one person being a better vet or them trying to rip you off, it is just a different way of practicing medicine.

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