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Samson/sampson fox mutation

Postby sammys » Sat Jan 26, 2013 3:01 pm

Ok guys and gals...

I have researched some more about red foxes and was researching color morphs and found a mentioning of "sampson" fox mutation.
Apparently it is a mutation where fox does not have guard hair but only the soft underhair. There are also some pics.
It was said, that they crop up sometimes in the fur bred foxes and are culled (understandably) as they do not have the desired fur. But I am curious - has anyone seen this mutation in person? I presume these foxes are softer to touch, but they do look kinda skinny :)

Anyhow - I just never heard of foxes having no guard hair before so I HAD to share :)

Oh and sorry, I linked to the taxidermy forum as there is a pic od the fox (unfortunately dead). I find it quite interesting (tho normal foxes are prettier :) )

http://www.google.si/search?q=sampson+f ... B313%3B240


http://www.taxidermy.net/forum/index.php?topic=188306.0


Tho I find the pictures of them to be quite different looking? I think one is supposed to be a red fox and the other grey? But I am not sure....
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Re: Samson/sampson fox mutation

Postby Chase » Sun Jan 27, 2013 9:22 pm

Interesting! But some of them look rather like mangy foxes...
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Re: Samson/sampson fox mutation

Postby TamanduaGirl » Sun Jan 27, 2013 11:02 pm

They have been mentioned here before but not any real info on them.

I found a couple other photos

http://www.wildlifeonline.me.uk/images/ ... fox_02.jpg
http://www.wildlifeonline.me.uk/images/ ... fox_01.jpg
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Re: Samson/sampson fox mutation

Postby RabbleFox » Sun Jan 27, 2013 11:48 pm

Kind of like a little naked fox. How would they survive the winter without their guard hairs?
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Re: Samson/sampson fox mutation

Postby Chase » Mon Jan 28, 2013 7:03 pm

Thinking the same rabblefox. Maybe they're so rare because they CAN'T survive in the nature too long?
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Re: Samson/sampson fox mutation

Postby sammys » Tue Jan 29, 2013 8:47 am

well they have the warm underfur, but not the guard hair...
Maybe they can survive low temperatures anyway....


I am just confused as the animals that the hunter is holding (the taxidermy forum) doesn't look "naked" but woolly, where as some of the other pics show a fox that look "naked"


Could there be different genes? (Like rex mutation and hairless mutation in cats and other domestics)?
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Re: Samson/sampson fox mutation

Postby Elina » Tue Jan 29, 2013 2:04 pm

Lots of them look more like they have mange then anything. If they look like they are covered in sort of wool that is more undercoat like so I think those photos may be more accurate as to what they should look like.
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Re: Samson/sampson fox mutation

Postby Chase » Tue Jan 29, 2013 7:17 pm

They remind me of laperm cats for some reason
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Re: Samson/sampson fox mutation

Postby Lupercus » Wed Jan 30, 2013 10:37 pm

I saw a silver Samson (its a reference to a biblical story, the jists is no hair) in a local collection just Monday. The mutation is rather valuable due to the rarity. That said, I think they look naked without the guard hair and that it would be a handicap in the wild.
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Re: Samson/sampson fox mutation

Postby WildlifeOnline » Sat Nov 29, 2014 12:14 pm

The article that accompanies the photos posted by TamanduaGirl contains some information on this mutation:

http://www.wildlifeonline.me.uk/questio ... tml#samson

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Re: Samson/sampson fox mutation

Postby FrayWolf » Sat Nov 29, 2014 1:51 pm

Samson foxes are sooooooo soft, I love them! I used to have a pelt from one, I wish I never had sold it...

But can someone tell me what the difference between "post reply" and "quick reply" it? Sorry I'm new to this form
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Re: Samson/sampson fox mutation

Postby dragonking » Sat Nov 29, 2014 6:34 pm

Post reply takes you to the full editor. Quick reply opens up a little box on the page of the thread.
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Re: Samson/sampson fox mutation

Postby Ash » Sat Nov 29, 2014 10:36 pm

I don't know why I never saw this post before.

Wow, they look kind of funny-looking--but in a good way. :)
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Re: Samson/sampson fox mutation

Postby BlueBaby1023 » Sun Nov 30, 2014 7:28 pm

What an odd mutation. I agree, though, that it would be a very soft fox. Some do appear mange-y but the second picture with the cattle dog definitely looks like unaffected by mange.
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Re: Samson/sampson fox mutation

Postby TamanduaGirl » Tue Feb 09, 2016 3:58 pm

Ran into some pics so thought I'd add them in the thread instead of just the google link since those results are always changing.

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