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Morph ID Please

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Morph ID Please

Postby Wiggles » Tue May 23, 2017 3:30 pm

I had been getting much better with identifying the various red fox morphs, but this little girl has me stumped. She has pale blue eyes, a pinkish nose, pinkish foot pads, and very light brown/beige hair with hints of red in certain places.

The simplest explanation would be that she's an amber, but I'm not 100% sure that's what she is especially since she's not old enough for her eyes to change color yet.
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Re: Morph ID Please

Postby Wiggles » Tue May 23, 2017 3:37 pm

I can't seem to get the picture to upload, so I'll add it when I get home tonight.
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Re: Morph ID Please

Postby Wiggles » Tue May 23, 2017 9:39 pm

Here are those pictures:
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The last picture is her next to a pearl kit.
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Re: Morph ID Please

Postby TamanduaGirl » Tue May 23, 2017 11:04 pm

Champagne Fox, since blue eyes. If pink eyes then pink champagne.
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Re: Morph ID Please

Postby Wiggles » Tue May 23, 2017 11:22 pm

Wow, I never expected to happen across a champagne by accident! The breeder wasn't sure what she was either but wanted to be kept updated on how she changed with size.
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Re: Morph ID Please

Postby TamanduaGirl » Tue May 23, 2017 11:37 pm

Well Ash is more color knowledgeable than me so wait and see what she says. Looks lighter than amber to me, though, except for the first one but red fox kits also lighten with age so think he'll mature to be even lighter than he is now.
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Re: Morph ID Please

Postby TamanduaGirl » Tue May 23, 2017 11:40 pm

PS if you know the parent colors that would help as Ash has the color books so knows what colors mixed produce what other colors.
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Re: Morph ID Please

Postby Wiggles » Tue May 23, 2017 11:43 pm

I don't remember the parent colors off-hand, but I'm also waiting on the breeder to email me back with that information. I have pictures of her & her darker sister, though. The other kits besides those two appeared to be reds & crosses that were lighter than typical ones.
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Re: Morph ID Please

Postby Ash » Wed May 24, 2017 12:29 am

Hi. Which breeder did you get her from?

At this point in time it can be hard to tell what color she will turn out to be since adult colors are the most reliable when phenotyping. She looks like a dark champagne to me, which means she could be either that or a lavender. I think either of those two because of the blue eyes and pink nose.

When she gets older it will be a lot more obvious which one she is. If she stays dark, she is likely a lavender. If she lightens up and is a soft cream color, then she definitely is a champagne (palomino).
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Re: Morph ID Please

Postby Wiggles » Wed May 24, 2017 10:27 am

Here's the picture of her that I was sent before I went to get her.
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Here's a picture of her sister.
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She's from David Keener. I don't know of many others that have bought from him, but his kits have always been healthy & well-behaved for myself & anyone else that's gotten one from him. He sources his breeders from various farms as well as some of the auctions in OH, so it's tough to say where her parents are from.
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Re: Morph ID Please

Postby Wiggles » Wed May 24, 2017 10:28 am

By the way, she is definitely lighter now than she was in that picture I was sent before I got her.

Ash, do you have a link to where I can buy the morph book? I'd like to get a copy to keep on-hand.
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Re: Morph ID Please

Postby Ash » Wed May 24, 2017 4:41 pm

She's super cute and will undoubtedly be a beauty when grown up. If I knew the colors of the parents I could tell you what she was, but just guessing from a kit photo is harder.

You can buy the fur book directly from the publisher http://www.ifasanet.org/scientifur_integral_issues/vol40/Scientifur_40_2.pdf.

Or if you want to order from someone in the states, I actually have an extra copy for sale for $125 (shipping included). I regularly buy books directly from the publisher so that it's easier for people to purchase a copy. I've sold all but the one so far. If you're interested, you can send me a pm. :)

There's one on amazon for sale for $500, and a copy on ebay going for $2500.

There's also a "sequel" available, but I do not currently have those in stock since I sold out.
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Re: Morph ID Please

Postby Wiggles » Wed May 24, 2017 11:06 pm

Sounds good to me, Ash. I'll see if I can swing it this upcoming pay. icon-smile

Also, I just noticed that she's got the darker cross on her back, so maybe she's even a champagne or lavender cross!

I'm still waiting to hear back from the breeder on the parents, so I'll report back on them when I have that information.
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Re: Morph ID Please

Postby Ash » Thu May 25, 2017 6:05 pm

I'd love to hear what the breeder says. :) I'm insanely curious about her.
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Re: Morph ID Please

Postby Wiggles » Thu May 25, 2017 11:31 pm

Well I have two updates on the little fella after bath time today:
1.) "She" is a he. Not sure how the breeder & I missed that, but it is what it is especially since very few breeders knowingly sell male champagnes.
2.) He is showing a decent amount of red now, and the cross look is becoming more apparent. I'll upload the pictures from bath time when I get a chance.

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