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Are these arctic fox or red fox color phases?

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Are these arctic fox or red fox color phases?

Postby caninesrock » Sat Nov 12, 2011 1:28 am

Are these arctic fox or red fox color phases?

Blue fox:
http://www.hideandfur.com/inventory/6555.html

Blue Frost Fox:
http://www.hideandfur.com/inventory/6570.html

Sapphire Blue Fox
http://www.hideandfur.com/inventory/6915.html

Shadow Fox
http://www.hideandfur.com/inventory/6930.html

White Fox
http://www.hideandfur.com/inventory/7020.html

I'm confused because the furs look the same size as the red fox furs do,but I thought arctic foxes were alot smaller than red? So, I don't know why the pelts all look the same size. If some were small and some were big, then I'd be able to tell the difference. I also noticed different tails on them(the fact that some had pointed tail tips,but other's rounded),but that proved to not help either because some of the fur that I knew were red fox morphs had pointy tails and some had rounded tails.

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Re: Are these arctic fox or red fox color phases?

Postby sarajeku » Sat Nov 12, 2011 1:44 am

The shadow fox is an arctic fox. They're born pale gray and white and the gray fades to white. They stay white all year.
The white fox is arctic.
The blue fox looks like an arctic too.
The sapphire blue fox is a red fox morph.
The blue frost fox looks like it has a white tip on its tail, so I'm going to guess red fox as well.
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Re: Are these arctic fox or red fox color phases?

Postby Alynn » Sat Nov 12, 2011 2:03 am

They all look like arctic to me. but I'm biased.

White, shadow and blue are definitely arctic though. With the white and the shadow I can make out the black tip that arctics have even though it's very small.
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Re: Are these arctic fox or red fox color phases?

Postby sarajeku » Sat Nov 12, 2011 12:12 pm

I was thinking the sapphire blue was a red fox morph because of this one:


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But it could very well be a blue arctic. You'd know better than me, Alynn.
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Re: Are these arctic fox or red fox color phases?

Postby Elina » Sat Nov 12, 2011 1:31 pm

I would say the top one is a blue phase arctic fox in it's winter coat.
The blue frost fox looks like a red phase mines the white tip on the tail but the photo could cover that. If you look closely it looks like there is some white there. Failing that it looks like a blue phase arctic's summer coat.
The Sapphire fox also looks like a blue phase's winter coat.
The bottom one looks like polar phase arctic's winter coat.
The one above that looks a little less fluffy so maybe a white red fox. . . Maybe it's just the photo or maybe it has been cured less well.

My other half is WAY better at this sort of thing as he does leather working.
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Re: Are these arctic fox or red fox color phases?

Postby caninesrock » Tue Dec 13, 2011 12:02 pm

Here's pelt that says they are arctic,but doesn't indentify the colors, only the country of origin:
http://commons.wikimedia.org/wiki/File:Alopex_lagopus_(Canada).jpg?uselang=ca
http://commons.wikimedia.org/wiki/File:Alopex_lagopus_(Norway)_fur_skin.jpg?uselang=cahttp://commons.wikimedia.org/wiki/File:Alopex_lagopus_(Poland)_fur_skin.jpg?uselang=ca

This one is a pelt that identifies as an arctic shadow fox:
http://commons.wikimedia.org/wiki/File:Alopex_lagopus,_Shadow_Fox_(Norway)_fur_skin.jpg?uselang=ca

I found these pics of arctic foxes but I'm not sure if any fit the pelts:

Blue
http://commons.wikimedia.org/wiki/File: ... uselang=ca
http://commons.wikimedia.org/wiki/File: ... uselang=ca
http://commons.wikimedia.org/wiki/File:Alopex_lagopus_cub_(summer_coat).jpg?uselang=ca
http://commons.wikimedia.org/wiki/File: ... uselang=ca
http://commons.wikimedia.org/wiki/File: ... uselang=ca
Lol. Shedding:
http://commons.wikimedia.org/wiki/File: ... uselang=ca
http://commons.wikimedia.org/wiki/File: ... uselang=ca
Appears to be a blue fox shedding:
http://commons.wikimedia.org/wiki/File: ... uselang=ca
Appears to be a blue shedding its summer coat for its white winter coat:
http://commons.wikimedia.org/wiki/File:Arctic_fox_(js)_16.jpg?uselang=ca
Appears to be a blue shedding its summer coat for its white winter coat:
http://commons.wikimedia.org/wiki/File: ... uselang=ca
Possibly a blue shedding its winter coat,but it may be a distinct blue and white morph since the fur doesn't really look like it is falling off:
http://commons.wikimedia.org/wiki/File:Ny-Alesund_(js)_9.jpg?uselang=ca

Light Blue
http://commons.wikimedia.org/wiki/File: ... uselang=ca
http://commons.wikimedia.org/wiki/File: ... uselang=ca
http://commons.wikimedia.org/wiki/File:Arcticfox_(Alopex_lagopus)_at_Svalbard.jpg?uselang=ca
http://commons.wikimedia.org/wiki/File: ... uselang=ca
http://commons.wikimedia.org/wiki/File: ... uselang=ca
Looks like a shedding light blue:
http://commons.wikimedia.org/wiki/File: ... uselang=ca
This guy might be a shedding light blue or he could be a distinct light blue and white morph:
http://commons.wikimedia.org/wiki/File: ... uselang=ca

Grayish-White
http://commons.wikimedia.org/wiki/File: ... uselang=ca


Pure White
http://commons.wikimedia.org/wiki/File: ... uselang=ca
http://commons.wikimedia.org/wiki/File: ... uselang=ca
http://commons.wikimedia.org/wiki/File: ... uselang=ca
http://commons.wikimedia.org/wiki/File: ... uselang=ca
http://commons.wikimedia.org/wiki/File:Fox_2.jpg?uselang=ca

http://commons.wikimedia.org/wiki/File:FOX.jpg?uselang=ca
http://commons.wikimedia.org/wiki/File:%C3%9Cberseemuseum_Bremen_2009_171.JPG?uselang=ca

http://commons.wikimedia.org/wiki/File:Hvit_fjellrev_(Alopex_lagopus).jpg?uselang=ca
http://commons.wikimedia.org/wiki/File:Polarfuchscele4.jpg?uselang=ca

I think he's a pure white just finish up shedding his brown winter coat:
http://commons.wikimedia.org/wiki/File: ... uselang=ca




White with wierd gray/brown spots
http://commons.wikimedia.org/wiki/File: ... uselang=ca
http://commons.wikimedia.org/wiki/File: ... uselang=ca

Mostly white with gray face with white strip down middle. Kind of has markings simliar to a platinum fox coat in red foxes(I think it's a shadow fox though in arctic foxes):
http://commons.wikimedia.org/wiki/File: ... uselang=ca
http://commons.wikimedia.org/wiki/File: ... uselang=ca
http://commons.wikimedia.org/wiki/File: ... uselang=ca
http://commons.wikimedia.org/wiki/File: ... uselang=ca

Brown
http://commons.wikimedia.org/wiki/File: ... uselang=ca
Appears to be a brown shedding its winter coat:
http://commons.wikimedia.org/wiki/File: ... uselang=ca
http://commons.wikimedia.org/wiki/File: ... uselang=ca

There's also this guy where the poster says:
Description: An Vulpes vulpes (renard roux in French). Although the source states that this is a Vulpes vulpes, this is obviously not true. The ears are way to small, the tailtip is not white, etc. I think it is an Alopex lagopus, but I'm not sure.

http://commons.wikimedia.org/wiki/File: ... uselang=ca

And there's this guy who doesn't look like an arctic fox?:
http://commons.wikimedia.org/wiki/File: ... uselang=ca


Finally, not for the squimish of heart,but here are some pictures of supposed arctic fox abuse in fur farms from some finnish animal rights group. Warning: Pictures are graphic.
http://commons.wikimedia.org/wiki/File: ... uselang=ca
http://commons.wikimedia.org/wiki/File: ... uselang=ca
http://commons.wikimedia.org/wiki/File: ... uselang=ca
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Re: Are these arctic fox or red fox color phases?

Postby caninesrock » Tue Dec 13, 2011 12:32 pm

So, if I'm right on the fox color guide:
http://www.hideandfur.com/inventory/FoxColorGuide.html
Amber Fox=Red Fox
Arctic Marble=Red Fox(in spite of having arctic in the name. I believe in the pet trade, it's known as just the marble fox or the black marble fox.)
Blue Fox(?)
Blue Frost Fox=Arctic Fox(looks like some of the blue arctic foxes I posted)
Burgundy Fox=Red Fox(I believe in the pet trade, it's known as a cinnamon fox.)
Burgundy Marble Fox=Red Fox(appears to be a cross between a burgundy/cinnamon phase red fox and a marble phase red fox.)
Glacier Fox=Red Fox(I would have thought it was an arctic based on the name and colorations,but I believe one of Pat's foxes on her website is a glacier fox and she says it's a red fox morph.)
Pearl Fox=Red Fox(also probably would have thought this were an arctic if it weren't for Tiny Tracks breeding them and having pictures)
Pearl Gold Fox(?)=Looks like some sort of red fox morph. Maybe it's a cross between a classic red and a pearl fox.
Platinum Fox=Red Fox
Platinum Gold Fox=Looks like a cross between a platinum fox morph and a red fox morph.
Platinum Silver Fox(?)=Red Fox.Wouldn't this be the same thing as a Platinum fox? Or maybe it's a platinum fox mixed with a silver fox? Or maybe it's an arctic fox and not a red fox at all.
Shappire Blue Fox(?)=looks like an arctic to me,but I could be wrong.
Shadow Fox=Arctic Fox
Silver Fox=Red Fox
Sun Glow Fox=Red Fox(also called Red Marble in the pet trade)
White Fox(?)=Arctic Fox
Cross Fox=Red Fox
Arctic Marble Cross Fox=Red Fox((I guess it's a cross between a marble fox and a red fox.)
Pearl Cross Fox=Red Fox. (Seems to maybe be a cross between a pearl fox and a red fox.)
Platinum Cross Fox=Red Fox(I believe these are the kind Tiny Tracks breeds as calico foxes,but I could be wrong.
Red Fox=obviously the Red Fox
Gray Fox=Gray Fox
Kitt/Swift=Swift Fox
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Re: Are these arctic fox or red fox color phases?

Postby Misty » Tue Dec 13, 2011 12:37 pm

http://commons.wikimedia.org/wiki/File: ... uselang=ca

Is that... a leucistic raccoon dog??
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Postby Elina » Tue Dec 13, 2011 12:50 pm

That does indeed look like a white raccoon dog, someone tried to sell me one last year as an arctic fox.
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Re: Are these arctic fox or red fox color phases?

Postby Whatsername » Tue Dec 13, 2011 12:56 pm

Probably not leucistic, but definitely white, which IS a tankui color phase. They look similar, but not the same. Here are more pictures of white tanuki: http://www.wasbeerhonden.nl/Topical.html

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Re: Are these arctic fox or red fox color phases?

Postby sarajeku » Tue Dec 13, 2011 1:22 pm

The 2nd, 3rd, 4th, 6th, and 7th (I think) that you have under "light blue" just look like normal polar phases somewhere in the middle of turning white or shedding. If you compare the second one to pictures of Alynn's fox just before she turned all white, you'll see the similarities.
The 4th one under blue looks like a polar kit. Its underside is too light to be blue.
The one labeled blue shedding for white winter coat is a polar fox, not blue. The light underside gives it away.
The one that you have labeled blue and white morph is also a polar.
They grayish-white looks like a blue phase in its winter coat.

However, I could be way off since it's finals week and I'm tired and I'm not one of the resident fox people. But that's what I've come up with from my limited knowledge of foxes. If I'm wrong, someone will come along and correct me. :lol:
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Re: Are these arctic fox or red fox color phases?

Postby caninesrock » Tue Dec 13, 2011 2:19 pm

Wow. Kinda sad that zoo didn't even know what animal they had. Unless it's the person taking the photos fault for mislabeling it. :roll:

Anway, I found examples of some of the red fox colors on live fox:
Arctic Marble
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Burgundy/Cinnamon Fox
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Pearl Fox
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Silver Fox
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Red Marble/Sun Glow Fox
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Cross Fox
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Marble Cross Fox(but doesn't look the same as the pelt shown on the fox color guide?)
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Pearl Cross Fox(but doesn't look the same as the pelt shown on the fox color guide?)
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Glacier Fox
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Amber Fox
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Platinum Fox
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Platinum Cross Fox(I believe this is the same as platinum cross fox even though Tiny Tracks calls it a calico):
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I think this is a Pearl Gold Fox:
The owner says:
Nishi on the left is known as a Red Pearl fox for her white coat.

http://witsendnj.blogspot.com/2011/06/w ... nados.html
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I think this is a Platinum Gold Fox:
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I think this Silver Whitemark is the same thing as the Platinum silver fox:
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Ones I can' t find any live pictures of are:
Blue Fox
Blue Frost Fox
Sapphire Blue Fox
Burgundy Marble Fox
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Re: Are these arctic fox or red fox color phases?

Postby Alynn » Tue Dec 13, 2011 3:05 pm

Sarjeku posted a picture of the sapphire blue.

I've never heard of Blue Frost or Burgundy Marble.
Different places use different names - for example this place has a "pastel" fox, but I think it looks like a winter coat burgundy.
http://www.northernmystcreations.com/.m ... 722069.png
http://www.northernmystcreations.com/.m ... 508430.png
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Re: Are these arctic fox or red fox color phases?

Postby caninesrock » Tue Dec 13, 2011 3:22 pm

@Alynn:
I think Blue Frost is an arctic fox morph.
I think the moonglow might be the burgundy marble since the sunglow is the redmarble. Moonglow doesn't really look like a marble fox though. It isn't spotted.


Moonglow Fox
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Anyway, here's more known morphs. I don't think they use these for fur unless they call them by a different name in the fur business:
Amber White Mark
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Pink Champagne
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Red White Mark
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Fire and Ice
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Silver Pearl
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All White Marble
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Silver Whitemark(which isn't the same thing as a silver platinum after all)
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This I believe is actually the Silver Platinum Fox:
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Re: Are these arctic fox or red fox color phases?

Postby Elina » Tue Dec 13, 2011 3:49 pm

The Moonglow Fox's ears and muzzle make it look like an arctic, maybe it just has small ears and a wide muzzle compared to normal. . .
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