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Bengal, Savannah, and Chausie, all Hybrids of domestic cats with exotic/wild cat species

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Carcacat

Postby Kokoa » Sat Apr 13, 2013 11:03 pm

Has anyone owned a carcacat? Or heard of one? I kinda wanna get one of these guys but I'm pretty sure its illegal in Texas along with savannah cats and pixie bobs ;____;
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Re: Carcacat

Postby Ash » Sun Apr 14, 2013 1:41 am

I've wondered this as well. I haven't ever heard of anybody breeding them.
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Re: Carcacat

Postby macmanmatty » Sun Apr 14, 2013 9:35 am

savannahs are not illegal everywhere in texas you can own one with permit in some counties. Go here to find out more http://www.hybridlaw.com/. Also if you are interested in carcacats you may want to look into jungle cat hybrids The jungle cat (felis chaus) is not classified as a dangerous animal by texas law thus making the hybrids completely legal in I believe almost everywhere in texas. Check with your county though. The jungle cats look almost like caracals expect they are lighter brown (still with no spots though) can also come in melanistic and grizzled and their tufts aren't as long. Also they are lot less expensive. I will have a litter of around 50% wild blood f2 jungle cat hybrids in the next couple months. Look at my hybrid thread for pics of the mother a (87.5%+ jungle cat hybrid). Pm me if you'd like to be put on the waiting list.
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Re: Carcacat

Postby sarajeku » Sun Apr 14, 2013 4:28 pm

Kokoa wrote:Has anyone owned a carcacat? Or heard of one? I kinda wanna get one of these guys but I'm pretty sure its illegal in Texas along with savannah cats and pixie bobs ;____;


Just wanted to point out that pixie bobs are not hybrids between bobcats and house cats. They are simply bred to look like one. Polydactyly is not found in hybrids, which is a very common trait of pixie bobs.
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Re: Carcacat

Postby Kokoa » Sun Apr 14, 2013 8:31 pm

The way it is explained on the website that was listed , It says no hybrids of anykind...
(A) a lion;
(B) a tiger;
(C) an ocelot;
(D) a cougar;
(E) a leopard;
(F) a cheetah;
(G) a jaguar;
(H) a bobcat;
(I) a lynx;
(J) a serval;
(K) a caracal;
(L) a hyena;
(M) a bear;
(N) a coyote;
(O) a jackal;
(P) a baboon;
(Q) a chimpanzee;
(R) an orangutan;
(S) a gorilla; or
(T) any hybrid of an animal listed in this subdivision.
(5) "Owner" means any person who owns, harbors, or has custody or control of a dangerous wild animal.
(6) "Person" means an individual, partnership, corporation, trust, estate, joint stock company, foundation, or association of individuals.
(7) "Primary enclosure" means any structure used to immediately restrict an animal to a limited amount of space, including a cage, pen, run, room, compartment, or hutch.



I honestly don't think its legal lol



The website called junglecats is where I first saw a caracat.
To your reply "macmanmatty" I might end up getting a jungle cat hybrid or maybe a abyssinian.
( Sorry I'm being so sloppy in writing format)
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Re: Carcacat

Postby Kokoa » Sun Apr 14, 2013 8:33 pm

Ash wrote:I've wondered this as well. I haven't ever heard of anybody breeding them.



Check this website out http://www.junglecats.com/caracat.htm
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Re: Carcacat

Postby macmanmatty » Mon Apr 15, 2013 6:59 am

Koka, you have read down further where it says you can get a permit to own one

Health and Safety Code Section 822.103
CERTIFICATE OF REGISTRATION; FEES.
(a) A
person may not own, harbor, or have custody or control of a

dangerous wild animal for any purpose unless the person holds a
certificate of registration for that animal issued by an animal
registration agency.
(b) A certificate of registration issued
under this
subchapter is not transferrable and is valid for one
year after its
date of issuance or renewal unless revoked.
(c) The animal registration agency may establish and charge
reasonable fees for application, issuance, and renewal of a
certificate of registration in order to recover the costs
associated with the administration and enforcement of this
subchapter. The fee charged to an applicant may not exceed $50 for
each animal registered and may not exceed $500 for each person
registering animals, regardless of the number of animals owned by
the person. The fees collected under this section may be used only
to administer and enforce this subchapter.

Health and Safety Code Section 822.107: LIABILITY INSURANCE
An owner of a dangerous wild animal shall maintain liability insurance coverage in an amount of not less than $100,000 for each occurrence for liability for damages for destruction of or damage to property and death or bodily injury to a person caused by the dangerous wild animal.
http://codes.lp.findlaw.com/txstatutes/ ... /E/822.107

Health and Safety Code Section 822.111:POWERS AND DUTIES OF BOARD; CAGING REQUIREMENTS AND STANDARDS

(a) The board by rule shall establish caging requirements and standards for the keeping and confinement of a dangerous wild animal to ensure that the animal is kept in a manner and confined in a primary enclosure that:
(1) protects and enhances the public's health and safety;
(2) prevents escape by the animal; and
(3) provides a safe, healthy, and humane environment for the animal.
(b) An owner of a dangerous wild animal shall keep and confine the animal in accordance with the caging requirements and standards established by the board.
(c) An animal registration agency may approve a deviation from the caging requirements and standards established by the board, only if:
(1) the animal registration agency has good cause for the deviation; and
(2) the deviation:
(A) does not compromise the public's health and safety;
(B) does not reduce the total area of the primary enclosure below that established by the board; and
(C) does not otherwise adversely affect the overall welfare of the animal involved.
http://codes.lp.findlaw.com/txstatutes/ ... /E/822.111

Added by Acts
2001, 77th Leg., ch. 54, § 1, eff. Sept. 1, 2001.
http://law.onecle.com/texas/health/822.103.00.html

"Animal registration agency" is defined as "the municipal or county animal control office with authority over the area where a dangerous wild animal is kept or a county sheriff in an area that does not have an animal control office." Id. § 822.101(1).

§
240.002. REGULATION:
(a) The commissioners court of a county by order may prohibit or regulate the keeping of a wild animal in
the county.
(b) The order does not apply inside the limits of a municipality.

Acts 1987, 70th Leg., ch. 149, § 1, eff. Sept. 1, 1987. Amended by Acts 2001, 77th Leg., ch. 54, § 2, eff. Sept. 1, 2001.
http://law.onecle.com/texas/local-gover ... 02.00.html



CERTIFICATE OF REGISTRATION FOR DANGEROUS WILD ANIMALS APPLICATION



COUNTY LAWS:
Counties where hybrids are allowed with permits:
Aransas contact Ronell K. Burke in Animal Control
Ector: Regulations Regarding Wild Animal Ownership
Guadalupe: Requires USDA: Doug Pyatt, animalcontrol@co.guadalupe.tx.us, 830-379-1224
Harris
Kaufman
Lubbock Sec. 4.06.002 Keeping dangerous wild animals:
Mason
Ward

This is a list of Texas counties that ban hybrids:

Bastrop
Bell
Bexar
Blanco
Burnet
Caldwell
Dallas
Denton
Hays
Lampassas
Lee
Milam
Montgomery
Tarrant
Throckmorton
Travis
Williamson


All other county laws related to hybrids are unknown at this time. If you have information on your county's laws please contact Hybrid Law

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Re: Carcacat

Postby Kokoa » Tue Apr 16, 2013 12:41 pm

Thank you macmanmatty icon-smile
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Re: Carcacat

Postby Splashstorm » Fri May 10, 2013 8:46 pm

How much do F1's cost? Personalities? Do f1s spray?
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Re: Carcacat

Postby Ash » Fri May 10, 2013 10:08 pm

I've seen F1s go for maybe around 10,000. I've seen 75% go for 15,000. :shock:
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Re: Carcacat

Postby Splashstorm » Fri May 10, 2013 10:21 pm

That's crazy!!!!!!!! 0_______0 well, so much for wanting one.
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Re: Carcacat

Postby Ash » Fri May 10, 2013 11:31 pm

Splashstorm wrote:That's crazy!!!!!!!! 0_______0 well, so much for wanting one.


Y'know what, I completely made a mistake here. I just got a new phone and viewed this post and answered it with my phone. I missed what thread this was since the font was so tiny, and I thought you were talking about savannahs.

So sorry about that. I actually have no idea. My mistake. :red-face:
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Re: Carcacat

Postby Splashstorm » Sat May 11, 2013 3:41 pm

Ohh, that's alright >_< I'm glad you made a mistake there lol hopefully their actual price is a lot less.
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Re: Carcacat

Postby TamanduaGirl » Sat May 11, 2013 9:56 pm

Males
F1: $7,500-$10,000 +
F2: $4,000-$7,500
F3: $2,000-$4,000
F4: $1,500-$2,500
F5-F7: $1,000- 3500
SBT: $1,200-$5,000

Females
F1: $8,000-$12,000 +
F2: $4,000-$7,000
F3: $1,800-$4,000
F4: $1,500-$3,000
F5: $1,000- $2,500
SBT:$1,200-$4,000

from http://www.junglecats.com/pricing_and_r ... 20cats.htm
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Re: Carcacat

Postby codycatz » Sun May 12, 2013 3:39 pm

Early generation hybrids are always gping to be expensive as the failure rate for pregnacy is high and litters are small. Vet bills can be staggering. Males of course are also infertile up to the fifth generation so males are cheaper in the early generations as they cannot be used for breeding.

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